Understanding The Asian-Girl-White-Guy Relationship

Asian girl and Caucasian guy. Hand in hand walking down the street. It’s a sight that’s becoming more and more common in public these days.

Sometimes these are scenes of true love. Sometimes these two people of different heritage are attracted to each other purely because of the “exotic cultural difference aura” hanging in the air between them.

Photo: Mabel Kwong

Just how do both these kinds of Asian-girl-white-guy relationships work?

The idea of Orientalism offers an explanation as to why the latter type of relationship exists. According to Professor Edward Said, Orientalism is a system of thought in which the West think of themselves as superior over the East in terms of economic and social development, fostering unequal power relations.

As the documentary Seeking Asian Female shows, there are cashed-up, “yellow fever” white men out there who splash out on so-called instant “mail order Asian brides” whom they reckon are submissive enough to be doting wives and cute with their China-doll bangs. It’s worth noting there are many Chinese, Vietnamese etc. women in Asia who voluntarily sign up to become Asian brides, willing to be objects of objectification, not true affection. Not all of them do so to swindle a white man’s money, but do so to escape poverty and put their homemaking desires into action in today’s modern society. In a sense, both parties end up satisfying each other’s perverse pleasures and domesticating fantasies, so creating workable relationships.

Also, in Asian cultures maintaining “face” is much esteemed – having a well-to-do spouse or simply a spouse is admired greatly and lusted after. Definitely a viable proposition as to why some Asian women don’t mind being an “accessory” hanging off their white husband’s arms.

And how do some Caucasian men come to fetishise over Asian women and vice-versa? It’s no secret the media constantly perpetuates notions of Orientalism today and as pretty much daily media consumers, we are often susceptible towards buying into endless stereotypical, often sexualised constructions of Asian women/Caucasian men on TV or YouTube. Or perhaps some of them have lived in secluded towns all their lives where only one Orientalist-drenched train of thought towards other races goes around and that’s all they know.

Then there are Asian girls and Caucasian guys who are sincerely in love with each other. The well-traveled, well-educated Gen-Y individuals appear to be more receptive towards stepping into this kind of relationship. Take for instance this couple: Beijing girl Hannah and Australian guy Alex meet in China, help one another speak the other’s language, come to accept their cultural differences with an open-mind and today reside loved-up in Sydney.

For such a relationship – and any other inter-racial relationship – to last the test of time, mutual respect for each other’s cultures is a natural necessity. Mutual respect goes beyond simply acknowledging each other’s traditions; it’s also about cultural tolerance. Like he taking his shoes off in her house and she going out to barbeques under the sun with him. In line with Hannah and Alex’s story that explains how Alex puts up with Hannah’s “sajiao” tantrums, making the effort to question the importance of and even partaking in the significant other’s customs warrants a stronger understanding of their not only their heritage, but their heritage-influenced personality.

It’s always heartening to see such couples learn each other’s language, especially from scratch. But maybe this is what keeps these relationships going. Don’t we always stop and stutter when we’re speaking to someone in a different language? It can be frustrating, but also fun and amusing – someone’s always saying something in a funny accent and it forces the two people to communicate. Not to mention learning a language and being able to speak it fluently takes time, just like how love often takes time to blossom.

Recently, there was a brief discussion about Asian girls going out with Caucasian guys in the comments section of one of my posts, and Shunlake mentioned:

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In the context of love, sometimes heartfelt actions speak louder than words.

What do you think are the foundations of Asian-girl-Caucasian-guy and inter-racial relationships?

561 responses to “Understanding The Asian-Girl-White-Guy Relationship”

  1. Wings Avatar
    Wings

    I am an Asian girl and to be honest even if I like a white guy, I need my parents to accept him. Normally in an Asian family especially mine, it is an obligation to show your boyfriend who you are going to marry to your parents. My father warned me many a times that no matter what he does not want me to date a White man due to our cultural differences. Asian men and White men can both be really sweet people but Asian parents are normally more conservation especially in a traditional Chinese family like mine as well as me being raised in an Asian country. I am also not allowed to date until I am 18 since my parents deem me not good and mature enough for a real relationship

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Wings. Yes, in many Asian cultures it is a must and an obligation for us to show our boyfriend/girlfriend to our parents well before we progress to the marriage stage. I guess a lot of the time, Asian parents hold tradition close to their hearts and would like to see these Asian traditions being passed down from one generation to the next. Maybe Asian parents fear if they welcome someone of another race into the family, he/she may have a very modern outlook, and not uphold traditions to their expectations or worse, don’t give two cents about Asian tradition. I’m sure you’ll have plenty of time to socialise and date in your life. I believe that being on your own is a time where you learn to carve out an identity for yourself and learn to embrace and love yourself 🙂

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      1. Raghav Saxena Avatar
        Raghav Saxena

        I do not agree even penny of the cheapest currency in the world your statement “Maybe Asian parents fear if they welcome someone of another race into the family, he/she may have a very modern outlook, and not uphold traditions to their expectations or worse, don’t give two cents about Asian tradition. I’m sure you’ll have plenty of time to socialise and date in your life. I believe that being on your own is a time where you learn to carve out an identity for yourself and learn to embrace and love yourself”
        Plenty of time is there to socialize for people who do not think marriages are made in heaven and if you do not get going, you can find another. It all depends on how much you respect the life and traditions that your parents gave you. Every situation is different. Parents love their kids lot more than their tradition and adapt so much to make the kids happy. If the kids take advantage of these adaptations, then tradition definitely becomes more close to their heart. It does not lessen the love towards their kids but they get hurt so much that you will not understand unless you are in their shoes.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          You’re spot on in saying that ‘every situation is different’. Some will definitely stick by tradition, perhaps get together with someone of the same race and who shares the same traditions as their family. This will be a win-win situation for all. But then again, there will always be others who will end up with someone of another race and/or with different cultural traditions for one reason or another – some families may be accepting of this, and some may not. No two people or families are the same.

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      2. Kim Wang Avatar
        Kim Wang

        The Philippine women love black men and if you go to Japan you will find more blacks and Japanese than whites.

        Its really the Chinese women who have inferiority issues and try to feel normal by marrying a white man. That’s why the Asian Man cant get a white woman. He feels inferior and just stands by while his woman begs for the white man. Nothing he can do.

        I will admit that this Asian woman inferiority thing is spreading racism which by definition states,,,

        Racism: The belief that one race or ethnicity possesses some quality that makes it superior to all other races or ethnicity.

        I sure hope the Asian woman gets help with her issues.

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  2. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    Interesting article, keep writing.
    Mike.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for reading, Mike. Much appreciated.

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      1. Michael. Avatar
        Michael.

        Go to Asia and you will see a lot of Caucasion guys with older ladies in long term relationships. It is interesting to read the varied comments here some of which are dissappointing because they are racist. To the Asian girls that feel insecure and would like to be with a Caucasion, you are all as good and probably better than most “white guys” (don’t like to use this term) we are all human beings nobody is any better than another there are good and bad everywhere. Behave in a caring and responsible way and Karma will be good to you, bad things always catch up with nasty people in the end.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          @Michael: True that. In countries such as Singapore, there are many older Caucasian guys with older Asian women. Likewise, there are also increasing numbers of younger such couples here. Not too sure how the Asians in Asia view such couplings, but I’m sure some will think that these are unions of true love, and others will look at them with a suspicious eye. I’m inclined to think that the latter is more common as there is still a conception in Asia that for the ladies, if you get together with someone Caucasian, it’s “marrying up”.

          Some of us will prefer to marry a certain race, and as you’ve implied there is nothing wrong with that. We are all people at the end of the day. If we do good, stay positive and be nice to one another, life will work itself our for us 🙂

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          1. Randy Avatar
            Randy

            If we are all good,Mabelm and of one race (the human race) why are you promoting Asian woman white man, rather than celebrating diversity? Isn’t that racism?

            You insinuate that the Asians and white are by default intellectually superior to blacks an Mexicans based on IQ test scores that measure your ability to assess and respond to issues that are more relevant in the homogenous society than the African American society,Then you say we are superior because as a race of people combined, we score 10% higher then you … How sallow. Did it occur to you that in many parts of African they don’t have books? Did it occur to you that 60 years ago black people could not even drink from the same water fountain as whites because of racism, 60 years ago they would have to give up their seats on a bus if a white person wanted to sit down. Weren’t allow to attend the same schools as whites???? Where not talking 200 years ago were talking baby boomer generation. So the last thing on the mind of a black person was a IQ test based on a homogenous society.

            This is a very racist site. No race is more intelligent the the other. Any race given the security and comforts of a homogenous environment would score about the same on the IQ test.

            Organically the brain and its functions are the same in all races. Its the environment and the social experience that dictates how its programmed.

            This is a very racist site. Are Chinese racist? Why don’t they show diversity? The Japanese marry black men and so do the Philippine and the Viet Cong and the Women of Thailand. Its the women of China who hate the other races but worship the white man. It was already said but I will reiterate, the white man leads the world in homosexuality, child molestation, Serial murders and mass murders, Does that make them spiritually inferior? How do the Chinese fell about that ?

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            1. Sally Avatar
              Sally

              Why is this woman promoting racism?

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            2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

              In no way am I promoting the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship as the epitome of all relationships. I wrote this post with the sole intention of exploring the possible reasons behind this phenomenon. There aren’t any other inter-racial posts on this blog, so I can see why you would think I am exclusively promoting this kind of relationship. Every inter-racial relationship is different, different people of different races get together for different reasons. To go through and acknowledge every single kind of relationship in this world would take a lot of time, and my blog is not a blog about relationships. Multiculturalism and diversity goes beyond inter-cultural dating, encompassing festivals, traditions, respecting customs, etc..

              I am confused as to how you would think this is a racist site and how I insinuate Asians and Caucasians as intellectually superior than other races based on IQ test scores, as in no way did I touch upon this in the post. This was brought up in the comments – some seem to think that IQ is a factor behind inter-racial relationships. It’s their argument, and it could be true. I am happy for anyone of any race to express their opinion on this site so along as it’s done in a reasonable fashion – not discriminating against other races and obscenity free.

              The Chinese are a very diverse race and speak different dialects. A Chinese person living in mainland China and Chinese person living in the Western world – and all other races in general – will have different perceptions of the world, races relationships and tastes in partners. I’m sure there are Chinese open to dating men who aren’t Caucasian. In some parts of the world, Chinese-African relationships do happen http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2013/0921/In-China-mixed-marriages-can-be-a-labor-of-love

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          2. Juan Lopez Avatar
            Juan Lopez

            @ You sure are promoting racism lady. And sadly, you choose your relationships by race, not by the content of the character.

            I sure hope my child doesnt grow up to be like. I try to teach her better values an culture that this gutter racist stuff you teach.

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            1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

              In no where in this post do I mention I choose my relationships by race. This post is about Asian-girl-white-guy relationships and discussing this phenomenon, not about my personal love life or putting down other kinds of inter-racial relationships. I believe that a relationship that lasts the years and decades will always be buoyed by communication, honesty and trust in that relationship – not race.

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              1. Irene Avatar
                Irene

                Hi Mabel,

                Please don’t take heart of the comments calling you racist. Some of these comments come from SE asians/indians/black guys with chinese fetish. They are angry that they can’t get a chinese girl and are trying to shame you to accept them.

                Do not sympathize with these men. You know they won’t give a hoot about you if you are Indian/Black or darker south asian nationality. They hate their own women/skin color and demand that you be more ‘open-minded’ to their kind. Yuck.

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                1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

                  Thanks for stopping by, Irene. Some of these comments on this post are quite opinionated. Though I might not agree with them, the commenters are entitled to express their own perspectives. Of course, it’s definitely not nice being called racist but I do try to see it from their point of view. At the end of the day, everyone will have their own views and I will have my own views 🙂

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        2. Igor Johansen Avatar
          Igor Johansen

          Yea, over seas In China you have the remnants of the oppressive colonialist white men that are married to the Chinese women. A few in Viet Nam from the war there to kick the imperialist out, but for the most part and particularly here in America. The White man is not going to stay with an Asian for life This is just temporary for free sex. for awhile. … And we should thank them for the free sex and worship.

          Thanks Chinese women.

          But I dont know if any white man over 65 is still with the Chinese girl he meet on Mail order bride when he was 50 and down on his luck. I never see it. But the sex was good and free.

          Oh yea some one else wrote that most couples have a 2 year difference in age, but the Chinese women and white man have a 5 year average gap in age. Well they want us so we get to choose, and we aint choosing no Old Chinese woman.

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    2. against these racist views Avatar
      against these racist views

      Can some one explain why this lady is promoting racism ?

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  3. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    There’s something wrong when the ratio is so skewed….interracial couples are 95% Asian girl and White guys and 5% Asian guys with White girls (at least it seems like that in America) mass brainwash, something in the water?

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    1. Michael. Avatar
      Michael.

      I don’t know why there is so much discussion about this subject, perhaps guys like to talk about it and girls like to bitch about it. Its really simple, generally guys like slim, happy, feminine ladies who treat them with a little respect.This respect may not be genuine from Asian girls but at least they appear to show it. A lot of western girls are overweight, ugly, don’t look after themselves, try to be like the guys are unfeminine and behave like yobbo’s. What guy would not to like to have a sweet Asian to be his partner. Western girls need to wake up and start behaving like ladies if they expect to be treated as such Asian guys are no more interested in you than your local boys. Cheers,Mike
      cheers,
      mike.

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      1. white man Avatar
        white man

        Have you ever notice that the white men never write this stuff ? only the Asian women write this stuff? Looks like they are still begging.

        Tell me… How many Asian Women and White men couple do you see past 65 ? I dont see any. The point is the white man usually dumps them by the time they get into their 60’s.

        So I wouldn’t call this sickness love.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      The world is a very strange place. In general, there does seem to be more Asian-girl-white-guy couples than white-girl-Asian-guys pairings. One can only guess.

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      1. Mike. Avatar
        Mike.

        Be brave, give me an opinion. You would know many guys of Asian descent, what do they think about having a caucasion as a partner?
        I am not at all racist, just interested in people.
        Mike.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          No, you’re definitely not asking a racist question, just a very inquisitive one. I’m one who keeps a very, very small circle of friends. What they think is entirely up to them. Some people whom I’ve come across prefer dating someone of their own race because of cultural similarity factors, and other people I’ve come across are completely open to dating a person of a different race. Which I’m sure some of us who have met people from different backgrounds would agree with.

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          1. Mike. Avatar
            Mike.

            Thanks for the reply Mabel.
            I am not a very eloquent writer so I can understand H suggesting above that I get a life but I was not saying that Asian girls are better or worse than Western girls merely an observation of mine.
            Western girls seem to have this conception that they must behave like guys to be equal in todays society. However I believe that some societies have held onto the belief that to look like a woman and behave in a feminine manner actually is a good thing and you will always catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Unfortunatly too many Western girls seem to think that one will fit in better if you behave in a Vulgar and coarse manner.Again just generalising and my opinion.

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      2. Alex Rock Avatar

        Asian girls have low self esteem so they naturally cling to the race with the most people(i.e. white men). It’s pretty sad. Also, I know white guys who date Asian women because of this and use it to their advantage.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          This is quite true. A number of Asian girls are shy and sometimes prefer it if their partner is outspoken and strong. Naturally if one is part of the majority race, they’ll be seen as strong and dominant. Pity that there are white guys who take advantage of this. I guess they want to be the controlling ones in the relationship, which is really sad.

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      3. Kim Wang Avatar
        Kim Wang

        Well its not complicated. The Asian woman is mentally and physiologically damaged from the white men dominating their land for most of the 20th century. The Asian woman feel so bad about being dominated and called slant eyes that they are humiliated. They can only feel accepted and normal if they can acquire the very thing that makes them feel inferior, a white male.. There is nothing exceptional about the white male. There are more white homosexuals and child molesters than any other group. They commit well over 90%
        of the serial / mass murders. So Its not like they are popular or doing good to the peoples of the world. In fact the white males lead the world in child molestation and male sodomy. Out side of us Asian women, no one is rushing to date the white man.

        Asian women who marry or date white men do it so they can feel normal and cover their insecurities.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Yes, there are Asian women out there who do not get together with Caucasian men purely because of love. Some Asian women are intent on turning away from their past and heritage, and so “marry up” with a Caucasian. I think some of the time, these Asian women don’t see or recognise the achievements and significance of their culture; often it’s the passivity of their culture that comes to the fore. Somehow we are always thought that being strong is a desirable trait – and so Caucasians should be admired. All cultures and traditions have their own virtues. It’s a matter of having confidence in oneself and taking a closer look at your culture and who you are. It’s sad that some Asian women don’t seem to do this, but I’m sure that there are many who do.

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    3. AW/WM supporter Avatar
      AW/WM supporter

      Perhaps its just simple attraction? a lot more Asian women find White men attractive than the reverse. ever think of that?

      It’s not going to change anytime soon, so you’ll just have to accept this.

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  4. H Avatar
    H

    Quite honestly, whilst I am not opposed to anything being talked about, this whole racial anxiety thing always seems to be very much a US/AUS-related issue. In Western Europe, we just don’t seem to have those kinds of stigmas attached to race as those countries do (perhaps due to not having such a sketchy background in regards to race). The US particularly is just so concerned with race and interracial relations that it becomes sickening for outsiders to hear about. There’s so much racism developed out of fear and anxiety.

    My point being, over here, you see interracial couples everywhere. Noone gives a damn, and there’s mixed-everything-people to be found here. I find it beautiful that you’ll find half-Jamaican, half-Arabic people, half-Irish, half-Brazilian people, half-Filipino, half-Columbian people here, etc. That’s what the world needs, a little diversity and people not being so whipped by their country’s and peers’ ideals that they cannot make their own mind up about things and “live and let live”.

    With that out the way, I speak as a white male. I’m going to be blunt- I find myself only really attracted to Oriental girls, although I see the beauty in those of all races and would date anyone of any race if I got along with them and found them attractive. However, aesthetically, Oriental will always be my main attraction. I can tell you what I love about the look; the unique eyes, the usually softer-than-other-races skin, the dark hair/eyes and tanned look, the lower height, all of those things please my eyes. I can’t tell you why, but it’s got nothing to do with me wanting to dominate anyone, I’ll tell you that for a fact. Perhaps years ago when the aspect of Orientalism was actually applicable, maybe it held some truth. There are certainly racial/social factors that come into play that determine why certain cultures favour others, but that is down to agents of socialisation. For example, economically, it is has been white and Oriental people who have been the most technologically and agriculturally advanced. Due to whatever reasons (be it better shots at schooling, better welfare, etc.), society and the media have built it so that they two “top” races in terms of economic success are these two, whereas, history, a stigma was attached to those of darker skin colours. I can’t help that, I’m just saying it the way it is. So in very “success”-driven cultures where the aspect of “survival of the fittest” comes into play, it’s understandable why traditional Oriental families/parents will dislike black people and steer their kids away from them and are generally only happy to marry them off to white people. Because unfortunately (and I’m just stating fact here due to the messed-up state of the world, not conveying my own opinions), whites and Orientals are at the top of the rungs in society’s ladders. Wealth, status, power, those things drive the world unfortunately. We go after those we consider, on a genetic level, are going to ensure the ongoing survival of our gene pool. But anyway, I’d like to say we no longer live in that age, that the world is practically all connected now and that is why those barriers are gradually shifting, but it’ll take some time; who knows if we’ll ever get there.

    All I know is, when I’m in a relationship, I’m entirely faithful, committed and to be honest, a pushover to my lady. I’ll do anything they want. It’s usually me who takes over the submissive role, both sexually and otherwise. Because there’s nothing I won’t do to please a woman I love and am attracted to, simple as that. That comes from the way I was raised: women had the say in my family, and guys were just guardians. So that’s my mindset. I can’t help that I’m not really attracted to white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, tall girls, skinny girls, I can’t tell you why. I guess I was just programmed that way. Maybe it was being brought up in an environment where there were hardly any Oriental people (mainly black and white). So it could have something to do with the mystifying allure of it, that I’ll admit. I admit I’m mad about Asian culture and that includes the “stereotypical” things such as the food, history, martial arts, the Eastern philosophies, etc. But there’s no crime against that, and I hold massive respect for these things, admiration even. I find it as interesting as my own cultural background and so I love the exchanges that occur from meeting Oriental people. I find them to be more attuned to what I consider socially important- that is being respectful, compassionate, passionate and intelligent. However, there are also bad points about these cultures and I don’t dress it up- we’re all the same just with different flaws and good points.

    I enjoy learning new languages. I would never get with someone (unless we were from the same country) and not make an effort to understand their culture and language. I find it so exciting. However, I will not deny that there are definitely issues with the Oriental/white thing too- the old, pervy, desperate white men you mentioned in the article do exist, so too do the money-grabbing Oriental sell-outs. Places in South-East Asia are rife with this; Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand. It happens, and you see sick things out there like 80 year old men with barely 16 year old girls, but as you touched on in the article, they are both as bad as each other, and they are getting what they want out of each other. There are many who do fetishise that idea. And I despise them. It makes people like me look bad. But you know what, that’s a barrier I just have to break when I come across those who judge me based on the actions of others. There are people like that in every culture. Love is colour-blind, and I’m determined to keep it that way in my life. I have my preferences and however they were moulded, I respect anyone I’m with and race doesn’t come into that side of it, it purely makes it even more stimulating for me to be with someone who has all the qualities I’m looking for, physically and emotionally, and have a rich background I’m able to get involved in and learn about.

    Just as the consensus goes that so many black guys and white girls seem to love each other, then so be it that us white guys and oriental girls find each other irresistible too. And there are whites, blacks, yellows and browns all over who love the idea of each other and hate the idea of each other. As long as the world’s still spinning and love’s a-brewing in the end with nobody hurt, who cares? I can’t wait to treat my future Oriental wife like an absolute princess, hopefully assimilate and integrate right into her culture with the utmost intentions and respect and hopefully receive the same thing back in return, and then have mixed kids who will be the very embodiment of the universal unity I would love to see in this world. I wish I would have had that rich upbringing of being able to learn about two different cultures, perhaps speak more than one language. I have always envied and respected the lucky people who have had this opportunity since I never knew my dad was from another country. And knowledge is really what you need if you want a content and fulfilling life.

    I know I wrote as much as the article. Enjoy! Peace and love. 🙂

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Nothing wrong with being attracted to certain people of certain ethnicities. As long as we are confortable and confident with ourselves, there’s no reason why we can’t get together with someone of our own liking. It’s great to hear that you enjoy learning new languages. Learning about different cultures is never dull – there is always something new about people to discover, and it makes you question the way you live your life too.

      I do notice you keep referring to people of Asian ethnicity as ‘Oriental’. The term ‘Oriental’ is a Western construct and is associated with European imperialism and colonisation in Asia, as well as typical Asian stereotypes. In short, some people of Asian descent do find the term ‘Oriental’ out of date and offensive.

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      1. Kim Wang Avatar
        Kim Wang

        yes but we are all overshadowed by the Black Man and White women. That’s the #1 mixed relationship. Unlike Us Asians, there is no physiological issues. Theirs is just mutual attractions.

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      2. private Avatar
        private

        I don’t think its offensive to be oriental. After all Orientals are from the orient…duh?

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      3. A Avatar
        A

        “Nothing wrong with being attracted to certain people of certain ethnicities.”

        Racial preference is racism. A person who isn’t racist is attracted to a person for who they are as an individual; a racist person is attracted to someone due to what racial or ethnic type they are.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Sometimes a person’s cultures and traditions influence on their personalities as individuals. Someone may be a quiet person and they may attribute it to their culture that values listening over speaking (e.g. Asian cultures). I think that if a person is attracted to someone because of their heritage, it may be because they have some sort of fetish towards that racial group. Thanks for your thoughts, A.

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      4. sumo73 Avatar
        sumo73

        In response to the use of ‘Oriental’, I believe that the user ‘H’ may come from the UK where the term is used without any real negative links to it unlike in Australia or North America for example.

        In London there is SOAS (School of Oriental and African Studies, which is part of the University of London) and no one is trying to get that place to change its name (at the moment).

        In the UK the term ‘Asian’ normally refers to someone from the India sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh…).

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      5. H Avatar
        H

        Hi! Sorry for the late reply.

        I noticed so many more posts after mine, I must have kicked something off! Thanks for your reply, and it’s interesting to read other people’s ideas. There are some conflicting things I want to flag up though:

        From your own words, in your reply to my post: “Nothing wrong with being attracted to certain people of certain ethnicities”.

        Yet in a reply to a person a little further down you say: “I think that if a person is attracted to someone because of their heritage, it may be because they have some sort of fetish towards that racial group”.

        I think that’s a bit of a contradiction, but I understand you need to keep the peace and explore all avenues in your wonderful article’s comment section! 🙂 It must be hard to keep up, haha. But why does it have to be fetishising? Can’t it just be for the reasons I wrote above? As I said, I haven’t shut myself off from dating outside or inside my own “race” (hate that word) in the past. But due to the physical qualities I mentioned earlier, those are the reasons I find Oriental ladies more attractive aesthetically. And I do apologise if you find “Oriental” an offensive term, but as one acute person posted here, I am indeed from the UK and over here, when you use the term “Asian” we generally link that to being Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, etc. “Orientalism” as a theory was developed at a time when imperialism and colonialism was an issue, so I understand the possible implications, but these days the term “Oriental” just refers to anyone from that section of Asia as a way of distinguishing them from the other, very different Asian cultures mentioned above (India, etc.). We have more people from those countries here in the UK than you do in America and so that is how we classify. Every Asian person here that I know understands and accepts that usage too, so I apologise if it offends you. I likewise know many Oriental people here that do not like being called Asian because of its implication here, funnily enough, despite the fact they are from the continent, haha! Swings and roundabouts I guess, but no offence intended. As that poster pointed out too, there is indeed, right next to my own university, The School of African and Oriental Studies, which endeavors to develop an understanding of said cultures and history with hundreds of foreign students studying there. Nobody has yet to complain about the name, haha.

        Anyway, in response to the user “A” who commented: “Racial preference is racism. A person who isn’t racist is attracted to a person for who they are as an individual; a racist person is attracted to someone due to what racial or ethnic type they are.”

        That’s complete lunacy to me. I think they have things confused, in all respect. So what if you find dark, Oriental-shaped eyes, dark hair, slightly tanned skin and shorter height attractive? What if you are passionate about their languages and everything that comes with their culture, so that is who you show preference to naturally? How are you supposed to help who you are attracted to? I think that commenter has completely disregarded all of the above. It’s all well and good to say that we should value people for their individuality and everything, but that isn’t what defines what we find aesthetically attractive and that’s not something we have control over. If anything, it’s a moral issue to do with how shallow you are that you value someone on how they look, not because you’re racist!

        I have plenty of white, female friends in this country who will only date black guys because that’s all they find attractive. Same with white guys who only like white girls, etc. I could go on and on… but my point is, that doesn’t make them racist, that’s just what they’re attracted to, and I wouldn’t dare label them as that. Those friends of mine don’t show me any disrespect because I’m white as they are GOOD PEOPLE. So I don’t hold anything against them for their natural human desires. If it bugs you that really seems like you are the one with the issue.

        How narrow-minded. With no offence intended, it just makes it sound as if that person has either had bad experiences trying to attract someone from another or their own race or they haven’t thought it through properly. You can’t label someone a racist just because they prefer the look of someone from another ethnicity, that’s mental.

        If you don’t find white skin and blue eyes attractive, that doesn’t make you a racist, it means you most likely aren’t going to get along well in a relationship with a white person, and I won’t call you racist for that. You’re not saying you’re not going to be friends with white people, or demoralising them, making insults about them, etc., just that it doesn’t float your boat. You could make the same argument about ugly people. Some of them may very well be nice people, individually, but if you don’t find them personally attractive, you’re not going to approach them first when you’re out and about with the intent of getting to know them, are you? Don’t be so naive.

        Genuinely, there is nothing wrong with having racial preferences in your partners. The world is free and beautiful because of it. I have mixed-blood myself and have been with people from many different ethnicities. But I now speak good Korean because of a relationship with a Korean girl who taught me about the country and culture. I was attracted to her, she was attracted to me, we got together, and then because of my like for her as a person, I was captivated to want to learn more about her as an individual then. And that is how a healthy relationship usually works. So I studied Korean and I fell in love with the culture! So much so that I have a future and a career there waiting for me there. She was treated like a queen, I made her happy, and she made me happy. Race and ethnicity never hindered any relationship I’ve had, it only helped make it exciting and fresh for us. I have once again been enriched and have become a better person for it. Moreso than I would have by limiting myself to my own ethnic group. That’s the power and beauty of appreciating diversity and accepting our preferences. I can’t speak for those who are doing it wrongly though, but there you go.

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          Thanks so much for writing back, H. I really appreciate it and thank you for your nice words. You’re very observant – yes, there definitely appears to be a contradiction in my words in the comments section. With regards to “I think that if a person is attracted to someone because of their heritage, it may be because they have some sort of fetish towards that racial group”: if someone has a fetish against another racial group, so be it. It’s not a crime; most likely it’s got something to do with their personal tastes. Nothing wrong there, just as there is nothing wrong with people being attracted to a different racial group due to their culture, traditions and customs. To some of us including me, such a fetish doesn’t sit well with us but there really is nothing we can do about it.

          It is hard keeping up the comments section at times but it is very heartening to see a lot of readers open up about their opinions on the issue. And it’s nice to see a good number of commenters too reading and learning from what others have to say hear about the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship. It is a deeper issue that most people think.

          “You can’t label someone a racist just because they prefer the look of someone from another ethnicity”. I completely agree with you here. I think this is all about personal preference here. Though I can see how some might this as offensive: say if someone prefers the look of Asian girls/guys, non-Asian girls/guys might feel insulted, discriminated against in terms of their (cultural) looks and hence on the receiving end of racism. Racism runs deeper than looks; it usually stems for a dislike of another culture, its history and tradition. This really is debatable, actually.

          I love how you sum up your response with your personal relationship with a Korean girl. Thanks for sharing 🙂

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            Hi 🙂 Please, no need to thank me at all, it was a pleasure reading your article and seeing what people have to say. Thank you for your own time and lovely responses.

            I agree with you that fetishising someone based on their race is demoralising and you’re not really seeing the bigger picture. Like those weird, creepy, white guys who believe that Filipina women will make great wives and do whatever they say, or that Japanese girls are gonna be your personal slave and act cute with you all the time, etc. That’s all senseless crap based on racist and ill-informed stereotyping. That is why usually, no racism of my own intended (since I’m white myself, haha), many white guys from American who are typically less travelled than Europeans, tend to have that view, in my opinion; because they haven’t extended their knowledge of cultures outside of what they have heard to see for themselves that there are individuals in every bloody country and culture, and you shouldn’t generalise. Unfortunately so many people still make that mistake. It really pees me off when I see it because it makes people look at me bad sometimes when seeing me in a relationship with an Oriental girl, and that isn’t the case for me. But as you said, sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. Bullcrap spreads like wildfire. We’ve all heard the crap white women say about black guys: that they feel more protected and more sexually satisfied with a black bloke, or that black guys have more “passion” or “rhythm”, which we all know is completely untrue. There are boring, fun, passionate, dull, sexy, bland people from all walks of life. The people I mentioned who have much exploring to do have yet to realise that, sadly. So word of mouth makes the idiots believe that in one “race” they will find this or that perfect trait.

            I understand your frustration about the fetish thing. And for what it’s worth, I apologise to you on account of them being idiots in your own experiences. We’ve all encountered things like that. I’ve had foreigners here and abroad want to get with me because they think I am born into a rich family and able to help them financially because I’m from England. Their unlearned, stereotypical view of the world limits them and makes them racist, therefore fetishising me too. For all they know, I could be a complete waste of space! But someone who takes time to learn and listen about your culture, respect you for a person because of it, they must seem pretty genuine. The Korean girl I mentioned, she was very much interested in Western (specifically British) culture so we bounced off each other quite well and found it very exciting to learn about the differences 🙂 Thank you for being entertained by my little reference to that relationship, haha. I figured it backed up my opinion quite well since I’ve experienced the good side of the argument myself, and was only enriched by it.

            I also see what you mean about the racial issue. It’s true, it can be frustrating for people of the same race when their own block them out and seek things elsewhere. You see them same when black women date white guys, they are met with overwhelming hatred and abuse where I’m from (probably the hardest case of inter-racial relationships I’ve seen in the world). In certain places, white men will hurl abuse at a white girl with someone from another race too. But you know what? It’s not the end of the world as long as nobody’s hurting anyone! As I said before, as long as you’re not being rude to anyone, rejecting friendship and abusing/insulting anyone because of who they are and where THEY’RE from in the process, then it’s okay. For example, white women here who prefer black guys, as I mentioned, is a plentiful thing to see… like the white friends I have who are naturally attracted to them: they don’t say a bad thing about white guys, it’s just simply that they don’t find them as attractive (or at all) as they do black guys. So it’s only natural that they seek partners in black males. It could be due to more of them living in my area than white males, it could be due to social stigma, socialising agents, etc. It really doesn’t matter too much. That’s not gonna bug me, the world’s a big place and I love the diversity, haha. It just means that later on in the next generation if these people get together, there’s even more of a chance that those potential kids are going to see a mix within their own family, therefore solidifying that racial understanding and blending is an okay thing. That’s a positive in my book. I don’t speak down on Indian women, for example. I still have respect for their culture and traditions, history and people. But I don’t personally find many of them attractive so I likely wouldn’t date one unless there is an exception, no matter how nice the girl is in her personality. It’s got nothing to do with racism, it’s just a moral/attraction issue. You may call me shallow, sure, although that’s another debate altogether, but it’s not a race issue. I’m judging her likely because of how she looks, not because of her ethnicity.

            Also, for some people, cultural clashes are more important than attractiveness, which is a major factor to be considered. There are many cases in this country of Middle-Eastern or Pakistani ladies/guys falling in love with a British person, who cannot see through with the relationship because their culture doesn’t allow it. Or because of the parental backlash, as I’m sure many people above have touched upon. While not an issue i contend with personally, those things play a key role for some others. I know I wouldn’t date a strict Muslim woman, regardless of her race and beauty for example, because I know my lifestyle choices wouldn’t allow us to be compatible. Again, not a racial implication. There are so many factors at play.

            With that, I will bring this to a close because I talk too much and have clogged up your lovely page enough already! But hopefully it will help people to learn in the future in some small way and instill a bit of knowledge into some who read it 🙂 It may indeed be a deep issue, but no more so than white woman/black male (another common one), or even ones inside their own communities such as racism you’ll find from perhaps Koreans dating the Japanese, or the French dating the English.

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              Another insightful comment from you, H. Enjoyed reading it tremendously and I reckon it could be a blog post on its own. Thanks for that.

              It’s very refreshing to hear you admit you don’t have anything against Indian women – you like them as people and their culture but don’t connect with them above the level of friendship. Not too sure if I like it when you say you don’t like how they look, lol. I do think you might mean personality or cultural customs. But “It’s got nothing to do with racism, it’s just a moral/attraction issue. You may call me shallow, sure, although that’s another debate altogether, but it’s not a race issue. ” Moral/attraction issue. That is something that gets lost a lot of the time when we’re talking about mixed relationships or racism in general. It is a separate issue from race: morals and the laws of attraction are based on ethics and personal tastes. Racism on the other hand is a hatred/dislike/unacknowledgement of a different race. “Not getting” or feeling attracted another person’s traditions, customs or ethnic clothes doesn’t always constitutes racism; it’s more of whether we can connect with them on the same wavelength and this doesn’t always happen. So glad you brought this up.

              That is all for now 🙂

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                Thank you, Mabel, I appreciate the comments although I wouldn’t classify myself as “insightful”, just opinionated maybe, haha. And blog post worthy means it was an essay! I’m so sorry! I’ll try and keep this short and sweet, I promise!

                No, of course I have nothing against Indian women. Don’t be disheartened, I think you misunderstood what I was getting at with bringing them up as an example. I’ll be blunt- I live in London- one of the most multicultural cities on Earth. It’s easier for me to count the countries I don’t have friends from and that’s not an exaggeration. I have found black women, West/East Asian, Latino and Caucasian women attractive. No one ethnicity is completely the same. Aside from the cultural differences though (which I touched on already), their looks are the only things I judge people by on an attraction level. And there’s no denying there are common traits some ethnic groups share, which is one of the reasons some people don’t find certain “races” attractive physically (which I have also touched on already- dark hair, dark eyes, etc). My first girlfriend, many moons ago, was part-Pakistani and looked West-Asian in her appearance! But typically, it’s just the truth that they are usually not my type physically. Same way as I don’t really have a thing for Somalian women. And Jewish women. And Middle-Eastern women. And pale, Scandinavian-looking women… And you know something else? I don’t like blondes and have never dated one. In fact, I’ve never dated a lady with anything other than brown eyes, haha. I didn’t choose to do that, but my personal preferences must have subconsciously played a part because I choose before I date. I don’t JUST get with someone for their personality (but it plays an equal part), however shallow I may sound because I consider it to be naive to think sexual attraction doesn’t make a relationship so much better. I’d be so upset if someone I got with didn’t find me attractive in the slightest but thought I was a wonderful guy. I have friends for that. I wouldn’t want to put them through the torture! Haha. But as I said, that’s a completely different issue. I don’t like pale skin either, but people of my own race don’t call me racist for it, generally, haha (it has happened). My point is, if you say you like just Oriental guys for their eyes, for example, that wouldn’t mean you like everyone in that ethnic group, including the obese and ugly, haha. So anyway, just to clear up on the “Indian” issue, I felt you took my words and jumbled them a little, in all respect. I didn’t say “I don’t like how they look”. I said: “I don’t personally find many of them attractive so I likely wouldn’t date one unless there is an exception” (“exception” meaning someone who I thought was especially attractive). So I think it’s fair to put out there I’m not classifying them all as looking a certain way, just that, generally, they aren’t my type. Same as with blonde, white girls (again, in general). Just wanted to clarify because I don’t want to be received wrongly, haha. Perhaps my wording was off.

                I completely agree with the rest of your post though 🙂 And thank you so much for the banter! Keep your great work on the page up! Any exploration into any topic, heated or light, is a great thing when people discuss it calmly. I really will shut up now. Have a great day!

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    Just correcting a typo: “I never knew my dad WHO was from another country”! Sorry about the other mistakes in there! 😉

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    And in response to the above response, saying that one culture is worse/better than the other is absolutely the kind of crap that causes articles like this to have to be written in the first place. Saying Oriental girls are anything better than women of one country is just ridiculous. That brings to memory the sadacts in Thailand and the Philippines I was speaking of who complain about women in their own countries as excuses for why they seem to run through around 10 different brides who do whatever they say in exchange for their wealth. The answers to this is that if you are bitching about the women of your own country, you either live in a very secluded environment with a small population or (more likely) you’re a pathetic, ugly, desperate, old git who can’t find someone to love you in your own country because of your inhibitions, convictions and generally unappealing ways. That is the type of person I hate.

    There’s nothing wrong with white girls or western girls for that matter. “Yobbos”… haha. Ridiculous. You clearly haven’t met enough people to understand that there are exceptions to what you may see in your area or on the TV. They’re not my cup of tea, but that’s the point of this… personal preference when it comes to attraction and so forth cannot be helped. But don’t go crapping on and generalising your own or someone else’s culture based on your jaded experiences. Get out and live a little.

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    Acemv

    There is a big stereo type in LA, that Asian women “worship” white men. Especially Chinese,Thai, and Japanese women preferring to be with blonde haired and blue eyed white men over even their own race. I have an Asian roommate that dates a black male and she said she was always criticized for doing so by her mother and other family members and was almost even disowned. Yet when she dated a white male before hand, she was praised as to how lucky she was even though the relationship was obviously abusive. She is chinese. I have noticed that this doesn’t happen with Asian men and white women. The Mothers of my Asian friends warn them about white women being deceitful and “slutty” yet when their sisters admit to dating a white guy, the mother is usually excited and enthusiastic. Is there some sort of speculation you can give on this please? Btw great article.

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      It’s funny how Asian parents approve of daughters dating Caucasian men but frown upon dating someone who is dark-skinned. In general in Asian cultures, “whiteness” or pale skin is seen as beautiful. The Western world is also often seen as more progressive and developed than quite a number of Asian, Middle-Eastern and African countries – countries where many struggle to make a living. So today it is not surprising for many Asians who live in Asian to admire Western lifestyles, ideas, etc. Men inclusive. Which would hypothetically explain why Asian parents fawn over their daughters dating Caucasian men.

      There is a tendency for White women to be stereotyped as more outspoken, sexy, determined, career-oriented and aggressive than Asian women – just look at the portrayals of them in Hollywood cinema and mainstream media. In Asian cultures, many traditional Asian parents still prefer it if their male offspring brought home a female partner who is family-oriented, quiet and willing to listen. So maybe that’s why they frown upon their sons bringing home Caucasian ladies.

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    Jessie

    Here’s an easy way to understand it. In America, let’s take Asian (China, Korea, Japan), White, Hispanic (non-white, non-black), and Blacks as the four groups.

    average IQ most to least: Asian, White, Hispanic, Black
    sexual dimorphism (large penis, large breasts/hips) most to least: Black, Hispanic, White, Asian

    Higher IQ groups tend to have fewer children and tend to them, while lower IQ groups tend to have many babies and play a numbers game. So the males of the high IQ/low testosterone group will look to attract a quality mate and attend to fewer children. While the males of the low IQ/high testosterone group will look to mate with as often as possible.

    However, a lower IQ group can still have higher IQ males than a higher IQ group. In those instances, those lucky males of the lower IQ group have both higher IQ and higher testosterone than the genetically unlucky of the higher IQ group. This is why you see more Black Males with non-Black Females, than the other way around. And it explains the AMWF/WMAF disparity.

    But, there’s an additional factor in play. Due to the way history (eg. European colonization of Africa & discovery of Americas) has played out, Europe has economically dominated the past two centuries. So societies of white males have achieved more wealth, while also having more brawn than Asian males (and others). This has compounded the distortion of that relationship.

    You can see the difference in 1st vs 2nd generation Asian American males (according to the US 2010 census). Only 5% of 1st generation AA males marry white females, while 25% of 1st generation AA females marry white males. However, 40% of 2nd generation AA males marry white females, while 50% of 2nd generation AA females marry white males. You can see the narrowing of the perceived gap is due to both an accumulation of wealth (due to high IQ) and a familiarity with a 1st world culture (eg. approaching women).

    There’s alot of similarities among the Asian girls who are with White guys, to the White girls who are with Black guys in America. You just have to add the twist of Asians being recent immigrants of countries of poverty or recent poverty.

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    1. Acemv Avatar
      Acemv

      I’d have too completely disagree. I. Q. Is probably the least of the concerns when it comes to a physical attraction between the races. It’s more of an institutionalized racism that started long ago when the westerners managed to push their way into the east. Back then, the Asian races tried to keep the westerns out for fear of colonalization from outside forces in wich they were right to do so but failed. Somewhere during this long process the white westerners managed to not only push their religion onto the Asian races but also their views and opinions wich include the overall thought of blonde hair, and white skin being superior to all. These views along with religious ones have stayed in the eastern countries like china and Japan for years now. Asian woman dying they’re hair and preferring to have lighter skin rather than dark is an example of this. Also the media has much to do with it as well. The dominant race in the world is arguably the white race and this is seen through television, film, business and music wich connects most of the world. Most people in china have never met a white, black, or Hispanic person but get a certain image of them from the TV and films over the years.

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        Jessie

        Yeah, I would include everything you said as a subcategory of what I mentioned, when I wrote:

        “But, there’s an additional factor in play. Due to the way history (eg. European colonization of Africa & discovery of Americas) has played out, Europe has economically dominated the past two centuries. So societies of white males have achieved more wealth, while also having more brawn than Asian males (and others). This has compounded the distortion of that relationship.”

        All things equal, Asian societies should be richer. In 18 of the past 20 centuries, China was probably the civilized society. However we’re living in an historically abnormal time. I believe China closed it’s door off from the world in the 15th century, right around the time they were beginning to explore the world.

        Zheng He had explored through Africa, but there was a political upheaval in China which resulted in a new China that decided to close itself off from the world. This closed off Korea and Japan also, since the way the world map is. They didn’t exactly have ships to go across the Pacific Ocean. I believe this decision was the single most important in shaping the world we have today.

        Otherwise China would’ve continued to dominated economically and culturally, as they were have explored the world. However, history suggests they would not have colonized it (eg. African slavery, Native American genocide) in the same way Europeans did. It would’ve been more of a trading and tribute system, similar to how China operates with other nations today.

        So about 8 or so decades after Zheng He explored Africa, Europeans developed ships that were also capable of exploring. They found Africa and started to extract resources from there, in both natural materials and human slavery. They built alot of wealth that way, and continued to explore and conquer the world for centuries. Alot of subjugation is threw propaganda, and we still see the alot of the white colonial mentally of other cultures and women in the media.

        So yeah, you’re right about that. It’s obviously more complicated than just IQ and sexual dimorphism. I was giving a simple explanation of the relationship, in which you control for environment as much as possible. I think when we see 3rd and 4th generation Asian-American or Asian-Australians, we’ll see what I was describing come more into effect.

        It isn’t simply a man’s IQ score isn’t what necessary attracts women to men, but it’s all the other traits that high IQ men bring to the table. High IQ males are generally more capable of “building a nest” to attract women. They also tend to be better long term companions and fathers. They’re less prone to violence, less prone to cheat, and they also pass on those intelligence genes to their offspring.

        If every country had an equal number of Asian, White, Hispanic and Blacks, then I’d think most of the current disparity would wash away. However, some of it would remain.

        It’s interesting to examine the white women in America who are choose those East Asian men, which unbeknownst to most people is the group of men that white women marry at the highest rate per capita (according to 2010 US census), versus the white women who marry Hispanic or Black men (overall more of these happen due to their massive population size, so people see this more often).

        To begin, note the four races I mentioned have different genetic average IQs (106, 100, 92, 85). And the mixed race children have a genetic average IQ that is the midpoint of their parents. So their IQ bell curve is resets on new averages.

        For example, the average child of a white (100) and black parent (85) will have an IQ of 92. The average child of a white (100) and East Asian (106) will have an IQ of 103.

        So the white women who are choosing East Asian men will have children with a 103 IQ vs ones choosing black men will have a 92 IQ. You can see what kind of woman generally makes these decisions in the census. The average white woman marrying an East Asian man weighs 25lbs less and has higher levels of education than the ones that marry black men.

        The other notable group of white women marrying black men, are black celebrities and athletes. The best of those black men tend to marry white women at a much higher rate than the average black man. So, while normally we think of woman marrying up or down, when a lower IQ male group mates with a higher IQ female group, it’s actually the males that are “marrying up” in terms of having children of a more civilized group, while the females will have children of a lower group.

        This is extremely clear in the children of a black and white couple. There are societies in the Americas of whites > mulattos (half of each) > blacks. And Malcolm Gladwell has written about how the mulatto women of his family mostly married black, and their children descended back into the black lower class of poverty and crime. While his own mulatto mother chose to marry a white male, and had him. People think it’s cultural, but I’d say the genetics is the much bigger factor.

        So, similarities will happen to the offspring of Asian-White couples. They will on average be more successful in terms of academics and career than whites, and produce more civilized societies, but less than Asians, when controlling for national geography, resources, political policy, discrimination, and cultural familiarity. It’ll be subtler though, because the gap is smaller, so a bigger sampling may be required. They may also be superior to either White or Asian in other areas where they may have a higher frequency of the optimal genes to succeed. It’s unlikely that it will be academically, as I think we all know halfies just aren’t as good as Asians, but they are better than whites. But it may be in areas of certain sports and possibly areas of music and entertainment.

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        private

        You are 100% correct. in most of your statements

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      private

      I agree with your racism. I like the way you dealt with the reality of white women marrying black men… you blamed it on the penis rather than finding the positive. like the good heart or spirituality you find in black men. or that they are forgiving, strong and fun loving. Im so glad you ignored those things and said its about the penis…

      It could also be because most homosexuals, child molesters serial and mass murders are white men. Instead you decided that math scores or getting rich off slavery equated to high IQ’s and superiority….. This may be why your woman is leaving you for the black man.

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      Kim-eun jung

      only because our asian women open to all races it’s doesn’t mean us Asian guys interested in your people. if anything it’s not our fault As us asian males only prefer our own race, it’s your fault why you white & black people are not borned as asian women or gay Asian men instead..

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    Jessie

    I want to add that men have much more variance than women. So I believe there will always be the genetically unlucky males of a higher IQ group who will complain about losing women of that group to males of the lower IQ group.

    Asian Guys who complain about Asian women with non-Asian men
    White Guys who complain about white women with black and hispanic men
    Hispanic Guys who complain about Hispanic women with black men
    Black men who complain about black women.

    This is obviously a generalization, but there’s now increasing data pointing to these trends. Now, note that Asian women are probably disproportionately choosing non-Asian (mostly white) males, due to the current unbalanced era we live in (Asian poverty, white global media). Asian women’s poor mate selection can be seen in their absurdly high STD rates compared to their counterpart males.

    While every other race has even rates of STDs, Asian women have 4 times the STD rate of their men. Also, STD rates of races from most to least go from black, hispanic, white, to asian. Asian women have such a high STD rate from interracial relationships, they have higher STD rates than white women.

    This speaks to the dangers of Asian fetish for Asian women, and it also speaks to the type of white males who seek these women. Statistically, it’s probably around 80% of their STDs come from interracial sex, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if it was even 90%. This is similar to the how 50% of the STDs in white women come from relationships with black men.

    Additionally, every marriage coupling of race and gender has an age gap of no more than 2 years, however White Male/Asian Female couples have an gap of 5 years. So traits of age gap, cultural advantage, racial insecurity (eg. bashing men of same race, while claiming superiority to women of other race), poverty, etc are clearly and consistently seen among these types of race/gender groupings (WMAF, BMWF, etc).

    This aligns with the behavior of these women. White women with black men tend to talk about their “swag” or their bodies, and in general try to show off their trophy husband. These women are in general more sexually promiscuous in their actions and conversations (eg. Heidi Klum discussing noticing her husband, Seal’s, huge penis size on Oprah.

    Also let’s examine the male culture in these relationships. Black male rappers discussing sexual promiscuity of white women women with men, and the encouragement of those actions. White males being white knights to Asian women in movies. I’m not familiar with Asian cinema, so I may be wrong, but I believe Korean dramas are stereotypically about males courting their women with romance more so than media of other cultures.

    We humans are interesting.

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      Angel Anthony

      Good facts and over all analysis.
      I must agree that most woman that go after white men are generally thinking about their social class and economical stability, and women that go for Hispanic and Black men are more physically attractive and probably more sexually active. I feel that the Asian races however naturally closed off from the world, only seem to be interested with the white race because of what acemv said about the racism institutionalized and the media depicting certain images of other races. In America Asians generally dislike Latino and African American men. This is no secret as its always shown in films whether serious or as a joke. Personally I know that Asian men are actually more interested in different types of women in general while Asian women are more attracted to white men overall. This is where I can’t seem to understand. It may be due to the fact that woman want a more dominant male figure with social and economic stability while men generally seek attractiveness. It can be noted that not many other races other than white are attracted to Asians. This may also play a part in why we see more Asian and white couples than Asian and anything else. Like Jessie said before, the most physically built races are from black,Hispanic,white,Asian. This goes for both Genders. Most black and Hispanic men prefer a curvy or more voluptuous woman (big breast, thick thighs, large bottoms). This being most commonly seen in Blacks, Hispanic, and as of late white races. White men have varied in this choosing either to prefer a woman with more curves or just a thinner woman. The Asian women are generally thin and less curvy than the other races. Many white men prefer this look and that plays a part in why you can see white men and Asian woman dating more often. Also many white woman, as jessie noted, are dating black men these days making it more competition or difficult for white men to seek them out. That being said, I slightly agree with michael’s first comment although I believe that is typically a white mans preference. I also agree with acemv and Jessie in certain parts of their comments. Everyone has a bit of truth in this discussion which is why it’s such a good one. Please comment and let me know what you think about mine and what your thoughts and views are. And please lets keep any prejudice views and “trolling” out of this intellectual talk.

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  10. monty Avatar
    monty

    There came a time when I was a good student in school and as I came to a point where I started to think I may have a harder time making more money in this world than the average person due to my home country being somewhat poor among all the difficult ways to get more money. Regardless I think this asian girl – white boy relationship is just a side show and is only threatening the asian countries and white countries to only get poorer in the future. In college they think they are going to make more money together as a serious relationship? Probably not as I have tried to talk to an asian girl too many times by now and they are never interested in me and has easily gotten to a point where it is too annoying. And i wouldnt help such persons out if I had a decision in doing so. A Japanese man and woman probably made Japan a richer country per capita than European ones. also there is more Asian people than white people in the world. Sure it may show a poor asian family they might get richer but they will probably not be the richest, as asian countries arent that poor all the time and might have responsibility sometime. why don’t asian people show a more open perspective of talking to different men? i think the white guy asian girl relationship did not draw people in with low iqs. other men are interested too and would maybe make asian countries richer if they were more open.

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    1. Angel Anthony Avatar
      Angel Anthony

      I agree, not all Asian men and woman have high I.Q. And not all white men and woman have High I.Q. Multiple times the white man-Asian girl relationship has proven to be more detrimental than helpful. But on the other side there are many successful cupples as well.

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      1. Acemv Avatar
        Acemv

        Good points, I guess I do understand a bit more. Another thing that my Asian roommate told me is that many Asian girls want a mixed baby. A half white half Asian baby is considered to have superior genes in many Asian countries. Is this true? I’ve seen black and Asian mixed people and white and Asian people and I prefer the look of a black and Asian person more. It has an exotic look but, I’ve noticed that white and Asian mixed people are very intelligent. Maybe this is just with the few mixes I’ve seen here in LA.

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      2. Jessie Avatar
        Jessie

        Acemv:

        I think it’s flawed and dangerous to think in terms of “superior genes”. There’s so many different human traits, that no group of people will likely have “superior genes” in an absolute sense. We’re just different. If you watch the NFL, you’ll notice that 70% of the athletes are black, despite them being 12% of the population. If you look at college enrollment, you’ll notice alot more Asians despite them being 6% of the population.

        As for looks, I’m not sure how you decide what is “superior”. People have different tastes. America’s top models are white women. However, when you look at Miss Universe, South American women are generally winning. Now the women from Brazil, Venezuela, and Colombia may actually be empirically more attractive if we negate media influence. However, the media has an incredible ability to market the image they want people to desire. After all, propaganda and marketing works. That’s why nations, political media, and corporations do it.

        Now it’s possible mixed white-Asian may be considered more attractive than pure white or pure Asian, but they may simply be benefiting from being different and therefore considered exotic. You may simply be exposed to the attractive ones through media, rather than the average one. This is similar to how whites can be exotic to Asians or vice versa. Another example is if you never met a latina woman, but now some Brazilian women arrived in your town, you may consider them better looking than a typical Brazilian man would.

        As for intelligence, the best evidence we have on mixed people is from mulattos, who are half-black and half-white. They have an IQ of about 92 or 93, which is exactly half way between white and black. It’s very likely that the group of half-white and half-East Asian will have an IQ of 103, which is halfway between white and East Asian. It’s important to remember this is just the midpoint of their bell curves. The averages are pretty close, but it becomes pronounced at the extremes (ie. the extremely dumb and the extremely gifted).

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It mustn’t have felt good when those Asian girls ignoring you, sorry to hear that. Not too sure why some Asians don’t like to talk to others of the opposite sex of different races. Perhaps Asians are afraid of talking to Caucasians because they see the latter as superior and aggressive. On the other hand, talking to someone of the same race, there’s guaranteed to be some form of cultural similarity between the both of you.

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      1. Michael Avatar
        Michael

        Hi All,
        Great reading and very interesting to get views from many people.
        My impression is that Monty is not Caucasion and maybe that could be the reason that Asian girls do not want to talk to him?
        Also I find it hard to believe that such a high percentage of Asian women have STD passed on from non Asians. There is such a small percentage of Asian women that associate with foreigners and it is not logical for so many of them to have STD’s. I am talking about women in their home countries not those that have moved to Western countries. I woul have to agree that how a person looks and initial physical attraction comes before any percieved IQ, as one does not see IQ in a picture or when you first see a person and feel the attractuion.

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  11. Danny Hamil Avatar
    Danny Hamil

    Isn’t it true in most case that physical appearance is the first contributor to attraction? If a Caucasian is attracted to another Caucasian, no one says a thing. But if a Caucasian is attracted to an Asian, many will instantly considered to be an ‘Asiaphile” , to have yellow fever , or worse.

    Millions of people everyday look online for desirable mates, and it is physical attraction, objectivity , that attracts them to a specific person. For some it might be black hair, others might like African races, some might like Asians, or South Americans , but in my experiences its mostly when a white man finds themselves attracted to an Asian woman when the insults and assumptions are spewed about. The other race mix I have seen that causes almost as much outrage is white women and African men. But the point is, I dont think most are attracted at first because the other person appeals to them mentally or intellectually, but sexually. And I think that goes for every man and woman of every race on earth. It is only after both parties agree to date, that they will get to know each other better and then the more important aspects of a relationship occurs.

    So to condone people for looking at Asian dating magazines, or websites, would be the same as condoning someone for looking at Match .com or any other dating sight. A person is looking for someone who appeals to them physically first, in all cases. Just my opinion.

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    1. Jessie Avatar
      Jessie

      There’s two key pieces of data that speaks to how the backlash against this relationship.

      1) The average age difference between every single combination of race and gender marriage is no more than 2 years, except for one. That exception is White Male/Asian Female, which is 5 years. That is 250% more than any other relationship.

      2) The STD rates go from most to least among races: black, hispanic, white, asian. Within each of those groups, the male and female rate is basically the same, with one exception. Asian females have 500% the STD of their men. That is so absurdly high, and it comes from interracial sex with men (which is statistically most white males) who seek these Asian women. White men with “yellow fever” are the cause of 80% or more of the STDs in Asian women. In fact it’s so high, that Asian women actually have higher STD rates than white women. This is similar to those black men who seek white women, as they cause 50% of the STDs in white women.

      http://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/asian-women-interracial-relationship-and-sexually-transmitted-diseases/

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      1. Jessie Avatar
        Jessie

        I think another piece of outrage is the dynamic of men of a lower socio-economic racial group being with women of a higher socio-economic racial group in regards to education, median income, higher rates of marriage success, and lower rates of criminality.

        We must note that men are wired to prioritize beauty, but women are wired for hypergamy (ie. marrying up). In those relationships mentioned (ie. BMWF, WMAF), the man is perceived to have attained the better partner in the eyes of society and genetics. So it’s innately upsetting to alot of people. The backlash is often very visceral.

        While we should be aware of the dangers of predatory relationships, I think it’s also important for us as a society to learn to accept that people should be free to have whatever relationships they want, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. It’s cool to see couples in love no matter their background.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          This is a great discussion, and thank you for sharing, Jessie. Certainly puts a lot into perspective and probably reasons why there are Asian-girl-white-guy and other interracial relationships. There will always be relationships here and there where one will take advantage of the other, and sometimes this is simply due to personalities – which is unfortunate.

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      2. Acemv Avatar
        Acemv

        I have to disagree with Jessie on this, I don’t know how an std rate has anything to do with people choosing their partner. Most people don’t know who has stds in the first place. So you must elaborate on that more. Also I agree with Danny Hamil that most if not all relationships are started by or with physical attraction, especially with today’s social networks. I think that Jessie is using too much numbers and calculations in trying to explain why someone is attracted to someone else. There are more obvious reasons than IQ levels and STDs. Asian women like white men because they generally have the best image in the world. Also whites and Asians have been closer to each other through colonization, trading, etc over the years. Asians and whites have more things in common nowadays. An Asian girl’s parents will openly state that they’d prefer to see her with a white male over a Spanish male or black male or middle eastern male. While not all, most Asians grow up with the mind set white is alright. Of course they’re encouraged to date within their own race as well. But that’s when looks come into play like someone else said here before. Many Asian girls feel physically inferior because of white people and so they tend to view white people as more attractive. That could be why many Asian girls fall for a white guy. Now a white guy falling for an Asian girl? That has many impractical reasons that would take much longer to explain.

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  12. private Avatar
    private

    As an Asian woman I must comes to grips with reality. White People from England and France dominated China for many years. As a result we Asians have an inferiority issues that drive us to seek acceptance the white man. African Americans have been able to find self esteem in themselves. I wish we could do that to. There is nothing exceptional or special about the white male. It just makes us feel like we are normal people. After WWII the white men dominated Asia calling us slant eyes. We feel so bad about that. They ran our country and humiliated our people. That left us psychologically scared. So We need the white man to make us feel normal… whole. This is not like the way white women and black men connect. Both of them are feeling just great. So I hope we can get free of these psychologically issues that James Michiener wrote about in the tales of the south pacific and other works.

    We need mental and spiritual help.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Very interesting idea you bring up here. European colonisation of Asia eventually brought about a more developed Asia, so maybe sub-consciously because of this some Asians feel the need to look up to Caucasians, or the need to find a white partner. I would say Asians and those in Asia are learning to embrace themselves and their country today. For instance, many Asians are sticklers to cultural traditions (e.g. Lunar New Year, Moon Festival) and would proudly uphold these traditions no matter who is around. In Melbourne, it’s heartening to see a number of Asian-Caucasian couples celebrating such festivals.

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      1. Private Avatar
        Private

        Your reply did not address the Psychotic issues that deals with the inferiority complex suffered by the Asian woman, whose experience at the hands of the white man was one of subjugation. The compulsive desire for a white man is a direct result of this debasing. This is mostly a Chinese issue as all of the other Asian ethnicity are more diverse in their selection of mates and are not begging for a white man.

        In addition The average IQ score is 100. About half of the population have an IQ between 90 and 110, whereas 25% of the population has an IQ below 90 and the other 25% have an IQ above 110.
        In other words most 75 % of all people are less 110. More over, the IQ tests measure cognitive skills based on social awareness. What constitutes rational and cognition in minority communities differs from homogenous communities like China and America (although America is changing). So the bottom line is the mythological bragging right of the Asian and Caucasian is a fallacy based on societal discernment and evaluation.

        But most importantly, There are greater measurements of intellect then doing math, (LOL). A more important measurement would be your philanthropic assessment and contribution.

        My prayer today is that the Chinese women would be healed of their psychological maladjustment. Many books have documented this. I reiterate, there is no white man writing about his love for Asian women. This is a one way street, and you never see a white man and Asian woman couple who are senior citizens, unless is a Chinese woman marrying an old white man for citizenship. The reason for that is the white man usually dumps the Chinese woman before he gets old. So this is more usury and not love, which lasts a life time.

        Peace

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        1. White guy from sydney Avatar
          White guy from sydney

          You probably don’t find old mixed race couples as mixed relationships haven’t been as accepted as they are now until recently, this goes for most races mixing with any other races. I think that it really comes down to two people falling in love and not looking at race as an issue. Of course there will always be people with sour grapes.

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  13. Asian Guy Avatar
    Asian Guy

    Asian girls who believes white guys are better than asian males are brainwashed trash and have parental issues.

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    1. Michael. Avatar
      Michael.

      There is no need for comments like this as they are detrimental to you and your country, non constructive and just not nice. Learn to live and let live.There is enough agro in the world without this sort of crap.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Perhaps. But if that’s the case, I would think it’s due to a lack of education and a dose of ignorance. In order for any long-term interracial relationship to succeed and be a wholly loving one, both parties need to learn to respect each other’s cultures.

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    3. Igor Johansen Avatar
      Igor Johansen

      That’s true

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    4. White guy from sydney Avatar
      White guy from sydney

      I think that anybody who thinks that any race of people are better than another race, are. Brainwashed and have parental issues. I also think that asian men who believe asian women marry white males because they believe white males are better, are too brainwashed and have parental issues

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    5. Mike Avatar
      Mike

      I’m white but I understand your anger. I have the same reaction to white women dating non-whites, it’s like treason. I don’t even like to see other white guys with non-white women to be honest. I feel bad though at the same time because saying so is like a dig on mixed people who I have nothing against. But it’s still how I feel.

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  14. jackbauer66 Avatar
    jackbauer66

    For alex rock: Asian women don’t have self esteem? Lol!!!! Date a vietnamese and you will see 🙂
    They are also powerful than a man 🙂

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Jack Bauer: Have to agree with you on this one. There are some Asian women out there who are both physically and emotionally strong. Especially those who are lucky enough to get an education. They tend to be the more outspoken types. And it also depends on one’s personality.

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      1. Juan Lopez Avatar
        Juan Lopez

        There is not a lot of excuses for this worship of the white man except they don’t want to be oppressed again so they jump on what they think is the winning side in this imaginary war of races and hope to be part of the oppressors rather than the oppress.

        In fact if you ask any non white non Asians about whether or not the Chinese are racist and begging the white man, the answer would most resoundingly be YES.

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  15. Ellie Avatar
    Ellie

    I have mainly dated white guys – not on purpose, though. I would never reject a guy based on race and I don’t have a white dude fetish or something. In fact, I think I’ve had a crush on someone from every continent in the world! I think it’s more of a reflection on my social circles, interests and my cultural identity. I am proud of my Korean heritage, but culturally I’m quite Australian.

    I have faced that skeevy Asian fetish rubbish from some guys before, who expect me to basically act like a submissive cutesy anime character. I’m a sweary Aussie-fied tomboy with an angry feminist streak, so it doesn’t work out! Mind you, sometimes it’s taken a very long time for a guy to get it through their head that I am not this Asian caricature they have in their mind, which is very frustrating. That sort of thing makes me quite angry – it’s racist, sexist, and almost predatory. I feel like I am not being treated like a human being.

    My (white, adoptive) mother mentioned to me that she saw a very young, pretty Asian lady with a much older white man with disgusting personal hygiene at the supermarket. He was being aggressive and domineering, speaking for her to the cashier and rudely bossing her around to get the shopping. Mum said it didn’t look right, and wondered if the poor girl had been exploited in some way to be with this horrible Australian man, which is still an issue in poor Asian countries.

    On the other hand, I know a few Asian girl/white guy couples my age who seem genuine. They like the same things, seem to enjoy spending time with each other and their personalities complement each other – which is what a good relationship should be all about!

    On another note, I have noticed more and more Asian guy + white girl couples, which is nice to see because I hear Asian guys have a tough time dating in Western countries. Eg. My Korean Husband: mykoreanhusband.com. I think it’s got something to do with cute Asian boy bands!

    I think interracial dating is changing as the world becomes more multicultural. Our generation can easily learn about other cultures, languages, travel, study and work overseas, so I suppose it’s inevitable to come across someone you’re attracted to from a different race. Plus, Asian culture is super cool and trendy right now 😀

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Ellie. Very entertaining. It’s funny how many white guys expect Asian girls to be submissive and cutesy looking all the time. This might have something to do with anime which is very popular in Australia with guys and girls from Gen Y. A lot of the time within anime stories, the girl characters in the storyline are depicted with long hair, big doe eyes and wearing skirts all the time – in other words, feminine and every bit lady-like.

      I too have experienced the distasteful Asian fetish thing from white guys. Once I was passing by a brothel and this (older) Asian guy approached me and started complimenting my slippers and feet, and asked me where I was from. I said something – don’t remember what – but I sounded quite outgoing and rude (I was in a hurry, get out of my way). Very obvious he was trying to pick me up like I was an international student/non-Australian person. The guy looked shocked that I spoke back to him brusquely and in perfect English.

      I have to disagree with you when you say that ‘Asian culture is super cool and trendy right now’. Asian culture has ALWAYS been super cool and trendy, just like every other culture 🙂 K-pop may be a mass-manufactured industry but at the end of the day, it does put the spotlight on Asian culture and people.

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      1. Angelanthony Avatar
        Angelanthony

        Not to be racist in anyway or form, but I think that we see more white man and Asian woman couples because more white men are attracted to Asian women than any other men. Latino men, black men, and even middle eastern men aren’t as attracted to Asian women. I’m Latino/black and have dated two Asian girls but none of my black friends or Spanish friends have. Many Latino males just aren’t attracted to them although you can always find one that is. Same with black males. They often want a latina woman with a curvy body or a black girl with a great body. I’ve known one black guy to date an Asian girl but he’s one of those anime geeks. Also everyone whos not white seem to be infatuated with white women these days because they are very out going and open to dating anyone. I think if Asian women were more out going instead of being so shy, it would be the same because Asian women are gorgeous. Any thoughts?

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          I suppose if someone is shy, doesn’t say much and generally keeps to themselves, then others would assume these quiet people want to be left alone. If you’re outgoing and willing to strike up a conversation with someone, then you’re most likely bound to attract attention – regardless if you’re white, Asian, Latino etc.. But then again, I’m sure there are some out there who find quiet, shy-nodding-heads Asian girls attractive (those with yellow-fever?) as that’s what they look for in a partner. At the end of the day, different people are attracted to one another for different reasons.

          I don’t know if mostly white men are attracted to Asian women and not men of other races. In Asia, many Asian men are attracted to Asian women.

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      2. Shaking my head.... Avatar
        Shaking my head….

        Funny thing. These Chinese woman White men relationships are less than .001% of the US interracial relationships and even smaller on a Global measurement.

        The only one who sees this as a phenomena is the Chinese women. Most non Asian (white man included) see it for what it is. Chinese women seeking to feel better about themselves by dating what they see as the # 1 race… funny that they would even rank the races…SMH.

        Put my vote with those who say this subject promotes racism and keeps the Chinese women from getting healed.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          In a way you are right. Chinese women – and Asian women in general – especially those living in Asia might be more inclined to see this as a phenomena since this Asian-girl-white-guy relationships are something they are used to seeing around them. For those Asian women living in the West or brought up in the Western world, they are inclined to see this as a phenomena too as this is something unheard of in their parents’ generations.

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  16. jonckher Avatar

    LOL. AF/WM posts always seem to push a multitude of buttons leading to vast generalisations. My personal non-scientific observations over the last 25 or so years of being in Australia is that the ratio of AM/WF and AF/WM appears to be catching up, especially with the younger generations.

    Seems to me that younger asian men are not so quick to blame race for lack of success but instead put more efforts into being cooler and more attractive. I mean check out some of those Asian b-boys hanging out in the city strutting their stuff. Back in my day, the only two kinds of asian guy you saw around was either a super-dork or a drug-dealer – both with limited appeal I’m sure you’d agree.

    Anyway, thank you for the link to sajiao. I never knew there was a term for that sort of behaviour and that in fact it is much part of the culture. Explains why I’ve never dated Asian. Why any guy would find sajiao at all attractive really baffles me.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks, Jon. I agree that AF/WM and AM/WF relationships are more prominent amongst the younger generation today. There’s a lot of opportunity for this generation to go to university, work and travel – and meet new people and cultures and so date someone of a different race from them. Have seen a number of super-fit, toned-muscled Asian b-boys around town in Melbourne. They always look extremely confident and comfortable in their own skin, and I’m sure girls of all races find them attractive. Or at the very least approachable, friendly people 🙂

      Personally I think sajiao is a strange thing. A cultural thing it definitely is. Maybe some guys are attracted to kiddy behaviour and think it’s cute. What’s certain is that most of the time, sajiao in public just draws unsettling stares.

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  17. Bubba longneck Avatar
    Bubba longneck

    You know I can understand a conversation about mixed racial couples, but when the topic is only about white men and Chinese women this becomes a very racist topic. What do you want a non Asian woman or non white male to say? This isolates the topic to a very narrow and race specific topic. Maybe that’s why so many are saying this is a racist blog site. Perhaps you should start a exclusive website and only allow White men and Asian women. I’m not sure the other races care.

    Also I think mental health may have something to do with the Chinese women begging for a white man.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5235487/China-has-100-million-people-with-mental-illness.html

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    1. Michael. Avatar
      Michael.

      The topic heading is Asian girl white guy not Chinese girl!!!
      Commenters introduced Chinese girl not the author.
      I think Mabel has been very patient with the negative comments which have nothing to do with what she has written.

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      1. Sara Liao Avatar
        Sara Liao

        @Michael: Yea but most of the obsession with the white man is coming from the Chinese. Most of the other Asian Groups have diversity in their selection. The ladies of the Philippines love black men and call them Soul brothers. Japanese have good relations with black men too.if you visit Akasaka (mainland japan) you will find many young black men servicemen dating Japanese girls .Look at Wesley Snipes who is married to a lady from Thailand or look at Tiger Woods whose dad is black and mom is Thai. So it is very valid to say this ” White man only” is a Chinese compulsion having questionable motives. So The “call out ” is very applicable and supports the point made by many that there is some racist and psychological issues at work with this promotion.

        As a Chinese lady, I don’t want to be painted as narrow or shallow. I like the human race. I don’t choose a man base on the color of his skin. I look at the heart and soul. Being Chinese I can also speak for my ethnicity and say we do have a problem with “whites only” mentally. It is not a spiritual or psychological nor sociological healthy place to be in.

        By the way… let me guess …. the author of this blog is also Chinese.

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        1. Bo Doright Avatar
          Bo Doright

          Sara Liao yours may be the best and most intelligent posting on this site. Thank you for addressing this madness. Thank you for contributing positive to the world and not that old sick weak minded racist garbage so many are putting on here

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        2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Yes, I am Chinese. I proudly acknowledge this in posts and pages of this blog. I don’t know if the Asian-female-white-guy relationships is solely a Chinese thing. You never know what the other person thinks unless you put yourselves in their shoes, and each person has a different personality.

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      2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        Thanks, Michael. Yeah, a lot of commenters have been picking on Chinese women. Both the negative and positive comments do have valid points, but it’s important to remember that “Asian” does not only mean “Chinese” (believe me, I have come across people/Westerners who simply assume if one looks Asian or has dark hair and an olive complexion, you’re Chinese). There are definitely non-Chinese Asian woman (e.g. Vietnamese, Koreans) who are in relationships or attracted to Caucasians and might have different reasons for getting together with white guys.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Yes, the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship is the only inter-racial relationship on this. I can see some can think this is racist, but there are a myriad inter-racial couples out there and to acknowledge and discuss each and every one of them would be time consuming – and my blog is not a relationship blog. A non-Asian woman or non-white male are welcomed to offer their own opinions if they have any – and as spectators outside of the Asian-girl-white-guy relationships, they would most likely offer impartial views on the subject, if it interests them.

      It is not uncommon to find some Asian women lusting after white men solely for the sake of “marrying up”. Sometimes this is due to cultural reasons, or a lack of education. And in perhaps some cases where Asian women fling themselves all over white men, maybe it has something to do with their mental health.

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  18. Mabel Kwong Avatar

    Hi all,

    I have posted this comment previously (1 December 2013), and I will post it here again.

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    As mentioned in some of my replies above, of course there are other kinds cross-cultural relationships e.g. white-girl-Asian-guy, Indigenous-girl-white-guy, Asian-girl-Asian-guy…you get the picture. However, I wrote this post with the intention of exploring in-depth one aspect of inter-racial dating: the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship. I am not making any generalisations about inter-racial dating as a whole. As a number of you have brought up, historical factors can play a part in influencing how some of us perceive the other race and our tastes in (culturally different) partners.

    My blog is not a political or historical blog. But that does not mean we should be ignorant of past events – they can very well influence our communities and relationships with others today. I am happy to accommodate brief political and historical points in the comments section so long as they link back to the topic of the post.

    Not too sure if anyone else is aware of this, but sometimes if a commenter leaves a comment with many links, WordPress automatically puts it in the Spam bin.

    The subject of cross-cultural dating is an extremely sensitive and emotional one as we all have our own strong opinions towards different cultures (perhaps based on what we know from history or perhaps based on our relations with people from different cultures in this present day. Or a combination of both). There is no need to resort to name calling, finger-pointing and using obscenities to get the point across (what’s the point of doing this?). I am more than happy to accommodate view points different from mine (as you can see, there are comments that state points that are different from my opinions/what I have said in my post). Ultimately, one of the goals of this blog is to generate civil and inclusive discussion on topics pertaining to multiculturalism. Comments that considerably veer off the topic at hand, accusatory, threatening, demeaning, violent or contain obscenities/flowery language will be moderated or deleted when I have time on my hands.

    Talking about this sensitive issue, at the very least we can state our opinion on the issue, learn from the discussion (and one another) and move on to being better persons ourselves. Thank you all for contributing to the discussion.

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    And to add:

    In no way am I promoting the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship as the epitome of all relationships. I wrote this post with the sole intention of exploring the possible reasons behind this phenomenon. There aren’t any other inter-racial posts on this blog, so I can see why you would think I am exclusively promoting this kind of relationship. Every inter-racial relationship is different, different people of different races get together for different reasons. To go through and acknowledge every single kind of relationship in this world would take a lot of time, and my blog is not a blog about relationships. Multiculturalism and diversity goes beyond inter-cultural dating, encompassing festivals, traditions, respecting customs, etc..

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    1. Mr Valerio Avatar
      Mr Valerio

      Don’t mind those that think this is racist. I found this blog because I was curious about it too, and I’m not Asian or white.

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      1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        Thanks for stopping by and reading, Mr Valerio! Always good to learn about what we’re interested in 🙂

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  19. Yuki Avatar
    Yuki

    Seriously, what does race have to do with anything? Can’t people just find another attractive and has nothing to do with race? I dated mostly Asian dudes my life but I recently met two white guys I find attractive and interesting. I mean if the guy is boring, he is boring no matter what race he is no? I hope the guy I am dating who happens to be white at the moment is not interested in me because I am an Asian girl only! That would be sad and goes to show how lack of diversity he actually is. I never see myself just as an Asian girl but just a girl in general who wants to find love. So if he happens to be black, white Latino or whatever….. Who cares as long as we share common interest and he is humorous!

    I don’t understand why some of the post keep referring to Asian girls have low self esteem? The girls I know can kick ass in the business world and be a lady at the same time. So I think those low self esteem comments are coming from people who are ignorant in general!

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    1. No racist baby!!! Avatar
      No racist baby!!!

      @Yuki: Yuki I understand what you mean about it should not matter what race a person is. Many racist use race to limit what a person can and cannot do. I totally get it when you say you don’t see yourself as a Asian woman but as a woman. I don’t see myself as a white man but a man. I don’t see myself as a black man but a man, Not an Asian man or China man but a man. Don’t try and box me in with limiting, stereotypical views. Sorry if I don’t fit into your box or pursue the girls you direct me to. I am a man not a race. Please stop the racism people… Stop the hate…

      Spot on!

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      1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        Very nice to hear that you see yourself as a person and that you are confident in your own skin. Thank you for stopping by and reading.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It would be great if everyone is attracted to one another based on personality and character and not looks or race, wouldn’t it? I hope your relationship works out and that he loves you for who you are as a person 🙂 In some Asian households, Asian kids are brought up to listen and be quiet. In some instances, the Asian girls are always, always thought to respect the guys (because guys are seen as favoured offspring). So some Asian girls might turn out shy, or at least come across as shy so people think they have low self-esteem. Or they may have low self-esteem.

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  20. Arthur Andersen Avatar
    Arthur Andersen

    Wow, these comments keep getting more and more insulting. So according to a lot of these other posters, if I’m a White man and I find Asian women attractive then I’m inherently supposed to have some kind of mental disease/sickness/”yellow fever”? Seriously?

    Honestly I think that such a notion is just as insulting to Asian women as it is to white men… it’s basically like saying, “Oh, if a different race is attracted to you, it *must* be because they have some kind of fetish. Why else would they possibly find you attractive?” Are you guys really so jealous and insecure that you’re trying to guilt-trip the White guys here into not dating Asian women based on the premise that the attraction is some sort of mental disease? That’s absolutely ridiculous.

    And for the record, my girlfriend is not Asian, she’s White… but I do find Asian women attractive. And if I was attracted to an Asian and wanted to date her, I sure as hell would not let a bunch of bigots and malcontents on the Internet with stories about “yellow fever” hold me back from doing so.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Everyone has an opinion, and whether we like it or not, an insulting comment is an opinion. Yeah, the “yellow fever” notion is not a very nice one indeed and can hurt both Asian girls and Western guys alike. I don’t know why some people are so insistent that Asian-girl-white-guy pairing all boils down to “yellow fever” – or “white fever”. As you mentioned, it could be jealously and insecurity. Personally I also think it’s a combination of ignorance and lack of education on the subject. Thanks for reading, Arthur.

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      1. Michael Watkins Avatar
        Michael Watkins

        I agree with both of you. I have been reading about several different culture separate from Americas and have alway, i mean always, loved Japanese culture.

        Is it wrong for me that i do? No.
        Is it wrong that i find Asian women attractive? No, As I do to several other ethnicities.
        Am I wrong if I pursue a future with an Asian woman? Absolutely not!

        I would prefer the average Asian woman over the typical selfish american woman any day.

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  21. Bo Doright Avatar
    Bo Doright

    I find women attractive no matter what race they are. There’s beauty in every race. No hate or discrimination here haters. Who cares what the persons race is? Ive seen beautiful Black women, Colombian Women, African Women, Heck even Chinese women. I don’t favor a woman by the racist cause I’m not a racist. There are good looking women every where… I like em all haters.. No discrimination here squirrels……

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      So much positivity in your comment, Bo! We need more more open-minded people in this world that are open and supportive of wholesome, genuine inter-racial relationships. Love makes the world go round.

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  22. Michael Watkins Avatar
    Michael Watkins

    Mabel Kwong please read,

    Europe and America were built and grew through mass multiculturalism. This is definitely unavoidable and is something we all see. I support marriage between races. But this can often force one culture out and focus on the other more so. I am attracted to women from several ethnicities and have had several dates with several girls over the years.

    I think you will agree, Mabel Kwong, that when you marry your spouse you are also marrying their culture, country, family and customs. I happen to not only think Asians, mostly Japanese and Taiwanese, are very attractive and beautiful (beauty is apart of everyone, there will always be those who are physically attractive in any ethnicity) but as very well culturally established people who take with them their culture and lesson learnt into their loving family. Whether or not it is with a white man.

    I would like to travel to Japan or Taiwan for a few months and experience culture and diversity. I grew up watching Bruce Lee and several other variation of Taiwanese culture and Japanese culture and am quit fond of them. I have no opposition to dating an Asian women, I will be more then willing to adopt their culture and commit myself to her, her family, culture and country.

    It comforts me that a lot of Asian women are exploring white-men they find attractive. I am a white man and have been adored in my matured years and so forth after i took into fitness and began to grow fair and tall. I am not going to go to Japan or Taiwan to try to get a beautiful wife. I will go for the experience and vacation. But don’t get me wrong, if i can take a pretty girl out to a carnival or game place y’all have, i will try my best to win her a large teddy bear or pikachu, whatever y’all have.

    My boss is married to a Taiwanese woman and she is gorgeous. He talks about how happy he is and it encourages me to look into Asian wives as excellent wives and mother figures.

    Mabel Kwong, would you agree that Asian women will make excellent wives and mothers?
    I believe that they would if they accord to their ways they were raised and their culture they would be ideal in many ways. I would be amongst the luckiest men to get a good Asian wife.

    Its encouraging to go to Taiwan or Japan just for the different culture and atmosphere, but also if i can build a foundation that will lead to a happy life, i will commit to it.

    Mabel Kwong, another question, is it true the Asian women to seek after attractive white men in there early 20s to mid 20s only date them for experience, one night stands, accessories, money, or any other materialized reason ? How many people do you know who have met an American or caucasion and would have been happy with him?

    I would like to think Asian women who are well self represented will take into me because she thinks i am attractive and will make an excellent spouse.

    I know I used Taiwanese and Japanese a lot, i should have used Asian. I much more accustomed to just the two, i apologize.

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    1. Yuki Avatar
      Yuki

      Michael, I know you are addressing your questions to Mabel but I wanted to comment on your post anyways. First, I am half Japanese and half Taiwanese so you hit both of my cultures and thank you for being so intrigue by them! I am so very happy to be born with the diverse Asian background. But my Taiwanese part always links me into Chinese and never saw a difference between Taiwanese and Chinese really. What is your thoughts on the differences?
      I don’t know why people would think Chinese girls are gold diggers more than any other culture? There are gold diggers in every culture and that is no new news… So to call out Asian girls are materialistic is not being very fair.

      I can tell you that I am an Asian girl from the states and if I met you it would be purely attraction that would make me want to get to know you and definitely not bc of the color of your skin.

      For the posters who mentioned about marrying up… Who doesn’t want to marry up? This has nothing to do with race but the mere fact you want to marry into a stable environment which may bring you and your off springs more opportunity for a better life.

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      1. Michael Watkins Avatar
        Michael Watkins

        I first if all want to apologize for my typical American ignorance.

        I know Tsiwan is Chinese, but are separate land and people in several ways. I look towards Taiwan as different due to the fact independence not only come naturally to me but is attractive.

        Ok, I read about Japanese, Chinese and Singaporen culture, but am attracted to y’all’s accents when speaking English, traditions and view towards men like me who are open and intrigued by the idea of devotion and marriage with Asian wonen.

        Please remember I’m due to some not too popular remarks cud I’m ignorant.

        So, I have read several articles that wonen are open to dating white men. But often times I have read where the Asian girl is using the white msn as a means of greed to herself. I am asking, when you see interracial relationships, is it love that makes the woman stay or is it the American money and citizenship?

        I will go ahead to say that gold diggers are very well part of most societies, but sense I am more concerned with Asisn affairs right now, live by their culture and loyalty to their spouse. Regardless of any complications?

        I will say I am not a ” yellow boy”, but if there were a woman if every ethnicity in front of me, I would choose amongst the Eastern Asians.

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      2. Michael Watkins Avatar
        Michael Watkins

        Im sorry to my first reply, i used my phone and made several mistakes.

        Firstly, as an American and given my resources, Japanese influence is wide through out most of Taiwan. I know some people may say you are not Chinese but then some may say that you are Chinese. But I do look towards Taiwan as a separate group of people that I do the Chinese. I have equal respect for both.

        What i have read not only says it is particularly the Asian women wanting to be that “Cinderella” life story. I have read that most women, in south America and in poorer economies, that they use American men as a ticket to a better life.

        When i hear or read Asian women supporting the idea of a white man relationship, i can’t but hear a false claim of attraction.

        I brought this up because i look forward to traveling amongst Taiwan and Japan for no more than a couple months in some time. I am very well open to the idea of starting a relationship, if presented, with an Asian woman and will devote myself to that future with her. But the negativity pertaining to the Asian girls who use white men is dis-couraging and makes me wonder. This publicity is torn between Asian women are so gorgeous and cute when dating but also people claim it usually ends up a disappointment.

        Can you tell me, Yuki, if most of your girlfriends or relatives take interest into White men for curiosity, attraction, or just gold digging?

        Most people think Chinese women are above gold digging here in America, i promise. I know the typical Chinese woman is indeed much much better, but the youth in any ethnicity does seem to act foolish at times. I am an 18 yr old male here in America, the women here are attractive but are too wild and disloyal at my age.

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        1. Pedro Martinez (Cuban) Avatar
          Pedro Martinez (Cuban)

          Michael Watkins/Mabel Kwong which ever name you want to use… same person.

          I totally agree with the False calm of attraction statement. In fact I here so much of what is wanting to be introduced is a copy of what is historically attributed to Blacks and Whites as they intermingle… the world known term is Jungle fever. Nobody has heard of yellow fever until now. LOL

          The mating is one sided with mostly Chinese women pursuing white men. No Fever there.
          Im fact, if you take mail order brides out of the equation the number wouldn’t register at all. The vast majority of these relationships are mail order brides with guys who otherwise would not get an American girl Black or White.

          Just look at the White guys who are 15- 20 years older than their Chinese wives… Im like really. SMH. They would never get the same aged woman with an African American or An Anglo American.

          Just my observation

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          1. Michael Watkins Avatar
            Michael Watkins

            Thank you for point if view. Although, I do believe the majority of these women who are married to other men are happy and do enter these relationships according to their will
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            Lol Mabel and I or two individuals though.

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          2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

            Michael Watkins and I are two different people.

            Thanks for sharing your observations, Pedro. Very interesting to hear. If we do take mail order brides out of the equation, I’m not too sure if we’ll hear much discussion about “yellow fever”; seems that “yellow fever” discussion constantly stems from this context.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Yes. If you marry someone of another race, for the relationship to work you’ll need to understand, respect and tolerate your partner’s culture – as you put it, you’ll essentially marry into their culture, country, family and customs. I can’t see how a happy inter-racial relationship can exist if this isn’t the case.

      You seem very excited to travel the world, in particularly Asia. I hope you get the chance to travel to Japan or Taiwan. You’ll be able to experience the culture and people first-hand for yourself (food, nightlife, celebrations, public transport, language), maybe get lucky and find someone you like and win a Pikachu for her at a fair 🙂 I think if a person is confident about who they are, then I think they have every chance of getting together with someone they find attractive, irregardless of race.

      Do Asian women make excellent wives and mothers? I think this is a matter of perception. Some Asian women may be more like “Tiger Mums” and others not so. It really depends on the Asian woman’s personality and what they believe in, and also what influence her partner has on her.

      Do Asian women seek out Caucasian men to take advantage of them in the material sense? Some do, some don’t. Not every Asian girl is that shallow; some actively look for compatible traits in (white) suitors. As for how many Asians I know who are in a truly happy relationship with a Caucasian? This question I’m not going to answer, because I choose not too 🙂

      I actually like it that you use the terms “Taiwanese” and “Japanese” specifically. “Asian” is a very broad term; each Asian group has its own customs, traditions and languages. Sometimes if you refer to a person who looks Asian as “Asian”, they might not take it very well as this does not entirely, accurately describe their heritage. Thanks for stopping by, Michael.

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  23. Anton leba Avatar
    Anton leba

    Hi im a white man (french) and i do see a bit of biast comments like signing up to be a bride. It just doesnt seem right. I am going to list the reason why i prefer asian women over white women. Asian women tend to take care of theyre husband more. They also exeed in a high amount of intellegence. Asian children treat there elderly and parents respectfully. I have witnessed some of my own friends slap there mothers back in high school. I have never seen or heard of an asian child doing such things. Asian women also seem more feminine in theyre own ways. Please note i did not mention any visual aspects of an asian women for there is almost no need for one. You can have the ugliest wife on earth but treats you well and that is honestly better than having a wife that is a hot beuty going around messing with ither men. Im not pointing this at any race in general, it happens in all. Lastley and to be honest i believe you the author have grown jealous of the oriental women taking your men.

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    1. Michael Watkins Avatar
      Michael Watkins

      I understand what you mean. I did not mean to out my opinion in my comments about such things that led him to want to say why he thinks it’s racist. Even if it’s not. I know most people here in America rebel against their parents.

      You also said they take care of their men, I also read where the traditional Asian woman does not exist anymore. They are much more than that. Although what ice read is a only a small since of resources. But don’t think that maiden tradition is everyone’s dream.

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      1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        The idea that the traditional Asian woman doesn’t exist anymore – I don’t think this idea is true. Travel to Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc. and you’ll see there are a considerable number of Asian women who meet some standards of the traditional Asian woman.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      You sure know what you want in a woman, and I applaud you for looking for a partner based on character and not looks. I hope someday you will find someone who is a very nice person, inside and outside. I don’t know what to make of your last sentence, though. This blog post isn’t about me specifically. Thanks for reading!

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  24. Ben Avatar
    Ben

    Hiya

    I found your artical very interesting Mabel:)
    I’m a guy from the uk and I’m dating a Korean lady, when We first met I did think that maybe cultures are just too different. But over time we have grown very much in love, this is partly because we are so different, it’s been really lovely trying new things and doing things that girls at home would find kinda boring. An example! She loves going for long walks and is really excited about nature, to the point where it gets me excited about the same things.
    I haven’t been to see her parents yet so maybe things might change:( I just hope that they forget I’m a white guy and just see me as a nice guy making there daughter really happy:) I like u believe it can be very successfull but it takes more effort on both parties. But that effort can be so worth it.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks, Ben. Yeah, I guess if you’re unfamiliar with foreign cultures, then dating someone of a different race will seem extremely daunting at first. Great to hear that you and your Korean lady are happy together and are not letting cultural differences get in the way of your relationship. Meeting the in-laws for anyone is almost certainly a nerve-wrecking thing. You sound positive about it though, and I think if you’re being yourself in front of her parents, they’ll accept you for who you are (honesty is always the best policy!).

      Yes, I do think effort put in by both parties in an inter-racial relationship will (most likely) make the relationship a successful one. A successful inter-racial relationship I believe boils down to communication, cultural tolerance/respect/compromise and being yourselves. I wish the both of you all the best 🙂

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  25. White guy from sydney Avatar
    White guy from sydney

    I met my Chinese wife (from Tianjin) in Sydney through work. We had married and she was pregnant before I met her parents (they flew out here for the birth). They are the kindest people and never made me feel unwelcome or unaccepted. My wife did not need their approval, so I guess they are not that traditional. They have always said to he as long as she is happy, they are happy too. As far as any “fetishism” goes, I don’t think it’s about having a piece of arm candy to walk down the street with. I will say that I have noticed more that the White Australian culture is becoming more drunk and obnoxious, women included. I generally find the Chinese (and other asian cultures) to be more respectful and I think more White guys find that appealling. However I had no motive with my wife other than I loved her.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you and your Chinese wife are in a happy relationship with the parents’ support, and I’m happy for all of you and wish you all the best. Nothing wrong with liking and feeling attracted to Asians or people in general who usually exemplify conservative traits. I don’t know about this, I’m just speculating but maybe the more outgoing White Australians tend to be attracted to other White Australians. Who knows.

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  26. Stop the hate Avatar
    Stop the hate

    Mabel your subject isn’t interracial dating and you often allure to. Its white men and Asian women dating. While that is a small unit in inter racial dating it is too narrow to be called interracial dating. Interracial dating would encompass any one who dates interracially. Your discussion seeks to deny all interracial couples except White man, Asian woman.

    You are disregarding interracial dating and focusing on building a network between the White Man and the Asian Woman. That is precisely why most of these bloggers (including the ones you remove) say you are racist. By default you have trashed and ignored their wonderful and diverse relationships to promote one small segment… which incidentally involves you, Asian Female Mabel.

    When the other ethnic( particularly African Americans, and Hispanics and Asians) post about their relationship with Asian women, you don’t bother to comment or you take it down. Again this is why they call you racist.
    Because of these actions you are by default arguing the superiority of dating the white race over the other races.

    That is not good nor healthy and certainly not what we want to teach the children nor encourage in society, nor is it true. There’s no telling how many interracial couples you have hurt or offended with your desire to get yourself a white man.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      The discussion of Asian-girl-white-guy relationships is ultimately a small facet of inter-racial dating. You’re definitely right in saying that inter-racial dating encompasses anyone who dates someone of a different culture from them.

      As I’ve mentioned before in a previous comment, there are a myriad of inter-racial couples out there. Each kind of inter-racial couple works differently and no two are the same. Since I focused on talking about one type of inter-racial couple in this post I can indeed see how people can misinterpret that I’m disregarding other inter-racial pairings. I’m not – towards the end of the post I briefly discuss how some traits may be applied to all kinds of inter-racial pairings. Arguments about the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship (e.g. communication helps mixed-race relationships) can be applicable and valid in other kinds of relationships too.

      I chose to focus discussing the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship in detail as I’ve read other articles on the subject and wanted to put forth my thoughts on the issue. Sure, I could’ve mentioned other inter-racial couples in this post apart from the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship, say Asian-African couples, but I would be opening another can of worms: there would be an entirely different set of cultural, social and economic arguments pertaining to the former type of relationship.To acknowledge and explore every single one of them in detail in a single post or within their own posts would be extremely time consuming and my blog is not a relationship blog. If you look around this blog, you’ll see I tackle specific, focused issues in-depth one by one.

      I like comments to stay focused on the topic at hand for all posts on this blog, so comments here that do not relate to the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship topic will be removed. This is only fitting – after all, those who read this post are mostly likely interested in finding out more about this particular relationship. Comments will also be removed if they contain vulgar language and/or are accusatory. Feel free to visit another blog or website if you want more information on other mixed race relationships.

      If I were to argue that the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship is superior to all other relationships, then I would have explicitly mentioned it somewhere in the post. I didn’t, so I’m confused as to why you would think this is so as I haven’t said it. Just because I remove comments about inter-racial couples doesn’t mean that I’m racist. I believe every inter-racial couple has the potential to be a truly happy one and last the test of time.

      I’m also confused as to why you think I’m only attracted to Caucasian guys. As I’ve mentioned in a previous comment as well, this post is not about my personal life and my personal relationships. Nothing about me in this post but a general discussion about Asian-girl-white-guy relationships.

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  27. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    I find that when some people write about this issue, they take an accusatory tone, portraying creepy white men preying upon Asian females. This article doesn’t do that, which I appreciate, because not all guys who like Asian girls are like that.

    Honestly, I feel defensive about this issue, probably because I’ve had a lot of shame surrounding it it. I’m a white guy who has been attracted to Asian females since I was about 15 years old. I’m mid-30s and I never grew out of it. I did not grow up in a place that had a high population of Asian people (though there were some). I was too young to really grasp the stereotypes and Orientalism that Mabel speaks of. I mean, I knew that they spoke a funny-sounding language at the Chinese restaurant, but I was not aware of the “Asian mystique” or notions of Asian women being submissive or whatever. All I knew was that Asian girls lit up my brain (and still do).

    I can appreciate all sorts of women, but Asian women have always been in a different league. I’ve dated both Asian and non-Asian, but my significant relationships have been with Asian females. I’m still attracted to other women, but the attraction is more superficial.

    I hate the term “Asian fetish”; I prefer the word “preference” over fetish. A fetish is when you sexualize something that isn’t inherently sexual, like a foot. I think “Asian fetish” would apply if you wanted your girlfriend to dress up in a kimono or speak an Asian language in bed.

    I feel like my preference is far too entrenched in my brain to do anything about it now. I don’t give Asian women unwanted attention. I don’t go up to an Asian woman and try to say something in Japanese (regardless of what ethnicity she is). I try to not fall into the “creepy” category.

    But I know some people will think badly of me for my preference. So I try to keep it to myself (though my dating pattern makes it pretty obvious).

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    1. Michael Watkins Avatar
      Michael Watkins

      This is what I wanted to say, but did not know how to place it in words.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks, Michael. The Asian-girl-white-guy pairing is a sensitive one and I did try to write about it as neutrally as I could. I strongly believe: “Never judge anyone because you don’t know what they’re going through”. Some white men do deliberately get together with Asian women for purely sexual reasons, but as you said and from your personal experience, not all white men are like that towards Asian women.

      Yeah, a lot of Caucasians might not know about the significance of Asian stereotypes and Orientalism (and Occidentalism). It could be because this isn’t usually addressed and discussed in depth in school curriculums and Australian mainstream media. Can’t really blame non-Asian Australians if they only have a fuzzy idea about this.

      “Asian preference”. That’s an interesting phrase you’ve come up there. Nothing wrong with a guy having a preference for Asian women for all the right reasons. I don’t mean to criticise, but with all the sensitivity towards the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship, many can take this the phrase “Asian preference” the wrong way.

      This is an issue that quite a few people take very personally. Don’t know why but it may have something to do with their beliefs, backgrounds or experiences in the dating arena. I hope that one day we can all discuss this sort of relationship openly and honestly sans being accusatory and overly emotional. Until that day, I think we should all just be comfortable with ourselves, have confidence in our abilities and date whomever we like regardless of race.

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  28. Jack Avatar
    Jack

    Many of these Asian women white men relationships are based on pure racism. Currently, USA media dominates the world with Hollywood propaganda. Hollywood is controlled white men and they use every opportunity to promote white men as the ideal men in the USA and around the world. Many people outside of USA think white men are all rich who live in Beverly Hills. Also, they all look like Britt Pitt LOL. The reality is average white guy in the USA is fat, out of the shape, bald, bad with fashion, and not very attractive. The reason I say this because I have traveled to many places and seen different people. Frankly, average guys in S. Korea and Japan are way more fashionable than white guys in the USA.

    White men fetishize Asian women. Because of this fetish based on weird sexual fantasies, they view Asian men as competition. Hollywood has done everything possible to demonize Asian men. Asian men are always being shown in movies as short, geeky, barely speak English, non-sexual, and never with a woman (even an Asian woman). Basically, white men has done everything to make Asian men as undesirable as possible to all women in their media. On the flip side, white men constantly stereotype Asian women as some kind of exotic sex creature. They constantly portray Asian women as some kind of exotic love object of white men. This is why you see only white men/Asian women in the media. In fact, in most interracial relationships, it is always white men and women of color lie 98% of the time. There are plenty of black men/white women interracial couples in real life. How come we don’t see them in the movies? The reason is media are controlled by white Jewish men in the USA. Have you wonder why everyone in the USA think all Arabs are terrorists while Israel is a saint? Guess who controls the USA media? 92% of men running USA media companies are white Jews. They learned from Hitler the power of media, propaganda, and brainwashing. Hitler used it against Jews in WWII and got the Germans to believe in their crazy war agenda. Jews are practicing the same propaganda today. They are also using the same propaganda to eliminate sexual competition in Asian men. Also, they view Asian men as a serious threat to them because they fear China takeover. Read this book on all the reasons why:

    http://tinyurl.com/lda39f5

    Because white media is currently most powerful in the world, people around the world are brainwashed to believe white men are the ideal partners. European white men simply benefited from all the Hollywood propaganda by USA white Jews. This is also why you see a lot more Asian women/white men pairings vs. Asian men/White women pairings.

    Until people of color take that control from white men and Hollywood, this WM/AF pairing will continue because white men have this fetish for Asian women. If you really want to see what these white men really think, check out this popular Tumbler site:

    http://creepywhiteguys.tumblr.com/

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      US and Western media does have a tendency to portray Caucasian men as heroes, the guys with the cash who can save the day. We see this tend a lot in movie blockbusters that are very popular with many Asian women, Asian men and pretty much everybody around the world who buy into this “trend”, and so many of us are inclined to see the Caucasian guy as the epitome of all guys. In reality, each race is much more diverse than what we see in the media. On a positive note, the current US show Sherlock has an Asian woman as one of its main leads, and her race and sexuality isn’t an issue in the program. Wish there were more characters like hers on TV.

      Thanks for sharing the links. Very interesting. The second one was shared previously in the comments, and I think this particular tumblr page does show the reality of how some guys think about Asian women.

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      1. Jack Avatar
        Jack

        Mabel – I think people really need to look deeper into this WM/AF thing. There are a ton more issues surrounding it than just “love is blind”. In reality, love is not blind at all and color of a person’s skin has a lot to do it.

        We are living in the golden era of white Saxon civilization. White men have pretty much defined standard of beauty for the last few hundred of years. America is the most powerful country in the world and white Americans control Hollywood. Using Hollywood as the ultimate propaganda machine, white Americans have brainwashed people worldwide to think white men are the ideal men with power and money. At the same time, they have demonize Asian men as undesirable. This has affected some uneducated Asian women as well as women of all colors. White men in other parts of the world like Australia simply benefited from this brainwashing by simply be white.

        If you travel around, you will find attitude about Asians vary greatly from country to country. In countries dominated by white anglo-saxon cultures such as America, Canada, UK, Australia etc., you will see very degrading attitude toward both Asian men and women. While stereotypes of Asian men don’t help them in dating, stereotypes of Asian women (submissive, exotic etc.) do. This is why you see a lot more WM/AF couples because white men are educated from day 1 they should have full entitlement to everything because their own media (USA media) is telling them so. If you go to a country like Brazil in South America, you will notice attitude towards Asian men is very different. While I was there, I seen many many Asian men Brazilian women couples in normal everyday life unlike in white Anglo-Saxon countries. Asian men are actually desired because there is this stereotype that they work hard, earn good income, and are good family men.

        In reality, white men feel very threaten by Asian men. Here are some reasons why:

        1. Asian men have the highest average income in the USA. They earn more than average white men and white men definitely feel threaten by this. Despite all the limited opportunities, many Asians have worked hard and still have some success.

        2. Asian men in America are better educated than white men. Again, white men feel threaten by this. On top of that, they have stereotype of Asians being smarter which contribute even more to their fears.

        3. AM/WF couples have the highest income in America. Apparently only really smart white women who earn good livings can see through some of the garbage and appreciate Asian men’s better qualities. Being smart is a threat to white men.

        4. Rise of China is scaring the living daylight out of average white person. This scares them to death because what would they do if Chinese can invent its own propaganda machine like Hollywood? China also knows the power of propaganda and media influence. This is why they censor Hollywood movies and only allow 34 into the country each year.

        Average white men in America know nothing about rest of the world. There is a survey that says 20% of American can’t even identify America on a world map.

        The positive thing is things are slowly changing. Due to arrival of social media sites like Youtube, average people of color can now voice their opinions and speak up. White men can no longer control everything media out there. People are learning more about each other through each other vs. learning it based on white stereotypes of other races. China is finally getting on the movie making train. Richest Chinese man recently announced he will spend $9B building Chinawood or Chinese Hollywood. They want to make movies with more positive Asian characters to counter Hollywood. They know how much damages Hollywood and white media have caused. Also, things like KPOP are having a worldwide influence. With it, Asian media is also slowly spreading. New generation of kids might actually see a different Asia because they are actually able to see Asians being portrayed as normal people vs. ugly Hollywood Stereotypes.

        In a truly colorblind society where people actually like other people for who they are, we won’t see any discrepancies between AM/WF vs. WM/AF. You won’t just see AFs dating WMs only or 99% of the time. I already explained many reasons for this. AFs that seek out WMs only for superficial reasons are merely reinforcing the white hegemony. In reality, they are just making the world a worser place for their future kids. Hopefully, younger generation is wising up vs just act like a drone that has been programmed by the media.

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  29. TG Avatar
    TG

    As a Canadian of South Asian decent currently residing in Hong Kong I must say it came as a shock that in this day and age the words of Martin Luther King Jr are mere words that have not been put into practice. There isn’t an overt racism as for example in some European countries. However, the subtle form of racism can be worse since there isn’t a way to counter it. This form of racism is excused as being the fault of ignorance, lack of cultural awareness, or simply put “There is no racism here because there are no black people here.” An interesting experience of the mentality here is seeing white only proudly written on the profiles of women on online dating websites. I have this hypothesis that such people who tend to have high regards for a particular race will perpetuate the stereotype that a certain race is superior over another. I also recall my ex gf, who was from East Asia, telling me that in her culture marrying a white person would mean going up the social ladder.

    But to answer the question – what is the foundation of such an obsession ? There are perhaps many factors contributing to it. Bad parenting, hollywood movies showing that the darker race are always criminals, unbalanced news reporting, etc…Or as a Hong Konger told me once “Hong Kong was a British colony for such a long time that we don’t to think white people are better..” Usually the oppressed hate the oppressors….Well the struggle to find an open minded individual willing to a) Not look at my skin colour and b) the size of my wallet continues…

    These are my 2 cents…

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for your 2 cents, TG. It definitely could be a one or more factors contributing to one’s obsession with a white or Asian person. A lot of the time racism and stereotypical perceptions of other races are due to individual ignorance, but then again, external and uncontrollable factors such as the media, population demographics and education curriculums can play a part in perpetuating this ignorance too. This can in turn also contribute to the basis of the AG/WG obsession.

      Your hyphothesis can very well hold true. A person who thinks positively about another race might think this race as extremely physically exotically beautiful, has all these ethnic-specific qualities that are attractive – making this race superior. If a person holds high regards for someone of another race because of their actions and attributes, then I don’t think they regards this race as superior but rather regard the latter as of worthy character.

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      1. TG Avatar
        TG

        Very much agree..as Martin Luther King Jr said “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”.

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  30. James Avatar
    James

    As a white male I prefer someone that is close to what I am in race and culture. Although I do find asian women attractive I don’t act on impulse because I have to consider the children of such a union. Obviously a lot of other white males don’t care about their heritage and want to satify their fetish of being with exotic females.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, James. I guess if we are to get into a long term relationship with another, we have to look at their character and ask: can we get along with them? Does this person compliment me? Do we have the same values? and so on. Without common ground or willingness to exercise cultural tolerance in the context of dating someone of another ethnicity, then it is really hard how a harmonious, thoughtful and understanding relationship can foster.

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  31. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    Being a white male of Irish heritage I find Asian ladies to be attractive but perhaps more because they are petite and cute looking but that does not mean I want to date one.

    I don’t want mixed race children.
    Guess that makes me a racist because I’m a white male saying this but if I was a male of any other race I’d get a pass.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      That’s a very interesting thought there. Sounds like you have your own reasons for not wanting mixed race children – and if so, that’s your own preference. It doesn’t necessarily mean you loathe another race, doesn’t necessarily mean you are racist. That’s just my opinion.

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      1. remy nova Avatar
        remy nova

        Mabel, he just stereotyped all Asian women as (petite and cute). What next? The Asian men are shy and weak. His was a trolling statement through and through.Mabel, glad you’re being thick skinned about this because, I can’t.

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  32. Jack Avatar
    Jack

    Another research paper on how white media is influencing dating preferences. Apparently white media is affecting South East Asians or Indians too.

    http://www.dailytargum.com/opinion/columnists/rashmee_kumar/media-representations-condition-dating-preferences/article_21a63b90-9cfe-11e3-b9b5-0017a43b2370.html

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  33. Jack Avatar
    Jack

    Excellent site with loads of information on this very topic. This WM/AF is way deeper than they just happen to “like” each other. There are many reasons for it and many of it are deeply rooted in racism. I found this great site full of information on this very topic:

    http://asianmancure.com/asian_female_white_male_couples_understanding_the_pairing.php

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  34. meanwyle Avatar

    While the relationship has since ended, my experience didn’t seem to fit into any of these molds. Perhaps it is a moot point because she was a Korean American but entering into it, there was no idea of fetishism or “yellow fever” on my part. I was attracted to her personality. The cultural differences that did come up we’re charming though. I still take off my shoes in the house.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I like how you say that cultural differences are “charming” 🙂 Because I think so, too. Sounds like you learnt quite a bit culturally from the relationship and I’m sorry to hear that it didn’t work out. Thanks for reading.

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  35. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Hi Mabel, this was an interesting article. My stance on the matter is that any relationship regardless of genders/cultures etc is always based on something…and what that something is, is none of mine or anyone else’s business. I try not to concern myself with other peoples relationships as it’s their life not mine 🙂 unless of course it’s a close friend being abused by their partner.
    Me – I’m a white guy..would I date an Asian girl – yes, if she could speak decent English and respect my background as I would hers. Race is not a factor…it depends on the person.

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    1. TG Avatar
      TG

      Pete-that is how the world should be. But here in East Asia can be best summarized with what happened to me. A Hong Konger girl told me that since I was not white we could be friends, and proceeded to ask me if I could introduce to her any of my white friends. I told her, very proudly, that most of my caucasian friends are not that shallow….

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      1. Pete Avatar
        Pete

        That’s a bit harsh and like you said..shallow. I also read your above comment about the online dating profiles that say “white only”. If I was using online dating I’d definitely be moving on if I saw that…would not strike me as good relationship material. Be interesting to know how many white guys would go for that.

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        1. What happened to loving people for who they are ? Avatar
          What happened to loving people for who they are ?

          Yes I have to agree. When People date based on race I find that is rather disgusting. I would not want to date a person who dates based on race. Why contribute to the negative and base elements of society? I do notice that a lot of Asian women but more particularly Chinese women are race based in their dating. They only date white men. What a turn off. I’m sure there are psychological issues at play there. I am a white man but when I see this racial snobbery I am immediately turned off.

          I wish there was more of a positive offering to humanity than racist dating. Its a paradox that the people who think of themselves as intelligent because their culture promotes math could be so spiritually retarded and adverse to the deeper and more profound contributions to society. So for me to date an Chinese or Asian woman. she would have to show much more class than they do.

          Ever see a Chinese woman feeding the homeless and making humanitarian efforts to help the underprivileged children? I have not. They come across to me as being snobbish and racists so I would not date one. Not because of her race or color but because of the content of her character

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          1. Wow Avatar
            Wow

            The above comment about Chinese women is so wrong on so many levels. I don’t know what type of Chinese women you have encountered before but your comment is far from truth or fair. I know many Chinese women who feeds homeless and do some amazing work as humanitarian … So please don’t use your limited experiences and judge people in general. If we can all just love more and care less of the differences the world can be a better place. Seriously you called Chinese women racist … But with your above stereotype, what does that make you?
            We are all trying to find love. To love and be loved in return … If so, everyone has their preferences and there is nothing wrong with that. Some people like tall men while others don’t care…. But the key here is to encourage people to have open mind and you just may be surprised. Maybe the next Chinese woman you meet she will be everything opposite than what u had thought but to judge her without knowing her is just limiting your own growth and it only hurts yourself. Life is short so choose wisely with anyone regardless of race or whatever….every race has their bad and wonderful kind of people. The universal rule should be judge by character and action not what is on the outside. So many people missed the chance to love bc of the fear of the unknown… Get to know the person and make your own judgement… That is freedom my friend.

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            1. TG Avatar
              TG

              Your point and the person commenting before are well taken. Unfortunately some rotten people have given a sheer negative experience for many of us. Another example I can share with you is an Anhui girl with whom I was supposed to go watch the opera. We had gotten to know each other well and had been out before. The day we were supposed to go to the opera house (I had purchased the tickets) she did not show up-despite getting a confirmation for her the day before. I received an apology for her behaviour two weeks later. I would like also to further mention that is not my only unfortunate encounter, and that other people have had similar experiences. You may also find the following article of interest:

              http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/07/chinese-raciality-and-black-reality-in-china/

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              1. Wow Avatar
                Wow

                Wow… That girl was rude no matter what race she is to do that to you. I am assuming you are African American? I know that Chinese have bad stereotype and is ignorant in many ways about the color of someone’s skin. I hope in time with China being much more open to the world, things will change but it will be slow. I mean look at the USA, there are still many Midwest states who still stare at people bc their Asian like they never seen! They still think China is some 3 rd world country that has no electricity or something… This is just ignorance and lack of education. Let’s be the change agent in this world… It starts with you and be consciously color blind and forgive those who are limited by their own fear and lack of understanding. You can break the stereotype for others and in return others will break it for you. It’s the law of attraction… What you give out, comes right back at you. So let’s love regardless ?

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                1. TG Avatar
                  TG

                  I am actually Canadian of South Asian origin residing in Hong Kong. I very much agree….Mahatma Gandhi: “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.” Not everyone is a deep thinker like you. Keep doing whatever you do so that you may be an example to the rest of humanity. Salam (Peace) !

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks, Pete. Yes, a romantic – and any other – relationship is always based on something and for some individuals it will be this, and the others that. Sure, we can all share our reasons for why we choose to be in a relationship, and people always look on with interest. But at the same time there is nothing wrong with keeping quiet about it. There definitely are happy Asian-girl-white-guy couples out there. If both parties of this kind of inter-racial relationship are genuinely happy and sincerely in love with one another, whatever the basis of their relationship, then maybe we should let them be happy.

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  36. Cara Avatar
    Cara

    Interesting article! My mom and dad are an asian/caucasian pairing. They met in South Korea, after 8 years of knowing eachother they decided to get married!
    I’m more Asian looking than white, except for a few features, and I find myself to be attracted to Caucasian or Caucasian mixed men.
    My boyfriend is white mixed, but it’s also his personality that I am attracted to. I love him for who he is as a person!
    I guess I get along better with white guys more than asian guys. I raise rabbits and chickens, most asian guys don’t know anything about animal husbandry. I relate better to white guys because most white guys know or catch onto ranching, farming, and hunting/fishing. A lot Koreans like golf and I hate golf! Lol! I just do better with All American men I guess.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      So nice of you to share your experiences and thanks for sharing, Cara. Quite a lot of times people with similar tastes and hobbies get along well with one another – because of common ground. I’m sure there are Asian guys out there who must like farming and fishing, but they just might be a bit hard to come by. You might see some of them at fishing clubs or something similar. But yeah, I guess if two people of different races have something in common, there’s no reason why this something in common can’t bring them closer together 🙂

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  37. Followup Avatar
    Followup

    There is a lot of racism on this site, but its good to see it out in the open. We All belong to the human race so there is only one race. There are cultures and ethnicity but only one race. Amazing how these so called educated people can be so ignorant.

    Why does Mabel promotes racism.?

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    1. TG Avatar
      TG

      We have to agree to disagree. I don’t think the blogger has condoned East Asian’s propensity towards people of European descent. Rather what the blogger has achieved, what you have rightly pointed-a frank and open discussion on the matter. Perhaps if I may provide another example. During a class the lecturer divided the class into groups and asked that each group choose a sensitive or controversial topic. I suggested racism – two mainland girls and a Korean guy refused to broach that subject matter….

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  38. sarah Avatar
    sarah

    i dunno why white guy or caucasian love asian. but this is not abt asian-caucasian or etc but A love that can cross the border or languages, believes and regions. A love that speaks its own language.

    btw i am indonesian. (asian) nd my bf from aussi almost 7 months. and till now. i dunno why he love me-_-

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      You say it very well, Sarah. In such a context, it definitely is about whether or not a love that crosses languages, traditions and places. “A love that speaks its own language” – I love that phrase. Love is so much more about being attracted to someone because of their appearance, languages spoken and culture. Love is also about respecting and understanding each other and accepting one another for who they are.

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  39. sumo73 Avatar
    sumo73

    Recently I came across a few things like ‘Not your Asian Site kick’ and ‘Creepy White Guys’ and then came to this site by chance and thought where am I in this discussion? It feels like a pressure cooker situation with some Asian Americans really upset by White people in particular.

    Venting anger is fine but without a real discussion encompassing everyone it doesn’t achieve much.

    Personally, I fine the terms ‘White’ and ‘Asian American or Asian’ unequal.
    White refers to someones color/colour whereas the other refers to a geographical area where someone comes from or is descended from. I think the term ‘European American’ is a more equal term for most white Americans.

    I’m not Asian but I am in a relationship with my girlfriend who I met at work for well over 10 years.
    I also don’t like the terms ‘mixed or interracial’ relationship which make my relationship with her sound like a kind of freak show. She’s my girlfriend who happens to come from Vietnam and that’s that.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Yeah, a lot of terms are extremely categorical and connote various stereotypes. There are some of us who find terms such as “White”, “Asian”, “people of colour” and “Caucasian” insulting and prefer to be addressed by their nationality. With a topic like this post, I reckon there are some who are more vocal than others about this topic. Looking around online, it seems that Asian Americans are the most vocal on this issue. Not too sure why others aren’t speaking up about it. Maybe they are not interested, don’t have much to say or just don’t want to comment on such a sensitive issue.

      I’m sorry at times “mixed” and “interracial” relationship make your relationship with your girlfriend sound like a freakshow. I’m sure none of us wants that with our relationships and all the ridiculous unwanted attention, especially if it’s a relationship based on genuine love between two people.

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      1. sumo73 Avatar
        sumo73

        Firstly, thanks for the reply. My guess why Asian Americans are more vocal say over Asian Australians or others could be the size of population that are there and maybe the amount of time Asian Americans as a whole have been living in America and the problems/issues they have faced over time.

        If you compare this to the situation in Australia then I guess this is mainly after immigration laws were changed under the Whitlam government in the early 70’s which allowed more people from outside Europe to come to Australia.

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  40. themofman Avatar

    I’m blck, Canadian and quite happily married to a Caucasian woman for the past 14.5 years; not because she’s white but because she’s “the one”. I’ve read some of the comments here, and I see some are giving you hell for writing this.

    From my perspective, every word you’ve written seems to be accurate to me. These are exactly what I’ve believed for many years abouth the “Asian-Girl-White-Guy Relationship” thing. It’s just very interesting, perhaps even gratifiting, to read it coming from a woman who is Asian or Asian-descent (this is my first time visiting your blog so I’m not yet sure which). I identify here because much of what you espouse is reality for the “White-Girl-Black-Guy Relationship” thing.

    So now I’m wondering, just who are your critics? What makes them so sure that what you’re saying is not so?

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Mofman. There will always be very different opinions on this issue and of course not everyone will agree with what I have written. Point of this post was to flesh out some ideas of how the Asian-girl-white-guy relationships works, plain and simple. Some relationships are based on physical affection and needs, others true love, so on and so forth. It’s interesting to hear you say that this post somewhat relates to the White-girl-black-guy relationships, based on your experiences. I guess interracial relationships – and relationships in general – do have similarities.

      As for my critics, well, I think anyone can be my critic. I’m my own critic too a lot of the time. Maybe it all depends on perspective and where you’re coming from that encourages people to react the way they do to what I write here, especially on such sensitive issues like interracial relationships. Honestly, what I say on this blog can be wrong. There may be other convincing arguments out there which I’m open to hearing and learning about.

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  41. sumo73 Avatar
    sumo73

    Sorry for any typos I made above (I wrote it quickly)…
    What I wanted to add was that I realise that most of the discussion to me seems to be from the Asian American experience but of course these issues are faced outside of America as well.

    On a side note-
    Eight questions interracial couples are tired of hearing
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/grace-buchele/8-questions-interracial-couples-are-tired-of-hearing_b_4415858.html

    My least favorite/favourite question is – Where did you learn how to use chopsticks?

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing this! A great array of questions and I’m sure some mixed couples get tired of hearing them. Yeah, this issue is one that is encountered all over the world. As one commenter has pointed out, this might have to do with the large proportion of Asian-girl-white-guy and mixed couples in America.

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  42. CT Avatar
    CT

    Very interesting article, and very refreshing that it is coming from an Asian woman. This post describes a phenomenon that is widely recognised but seldom discussed openly (the fear of being labelled a racist, as demonstrated on this page multiple times, probably plays a part in this lack of open discussion.) It is even less seldom brought up by Asian girls or white men (the protagonists in this story.) So thank you Mabel for bringing this up.

    Personally, I would like to state that I am an Asian male who grew up in Singapore.

    From our point of view, there have always been a mixture of races living together for many years. And yes, we were colonized by the British. While we mostly kept within our own racial groups traditionally, ie. Chinese married Chinese, Indians married Indians, etc, we could get along relatively well. Another thing you need to know about my country, we have the phenomenon of the ‘Sarong Party Girl’, in other words an Asian woman who loves to party with white men. Mostly derogatory in its usage.

    What is disturbing and somewhat alarming is that while this ‘SPG’ phenomenon used to be pretty limited and confined to certain areas, in recent years it has become more and more widespread, almost mainstream. And over here, just like in Australia or the other places mentioned on this blog, the number of WMAF vs AMWF or every WMAF vs all other interracial couplings is something like 9:1. Ok I don’t have any raw statistics to back me up, this is anecdotal, but it is very apparent just by walking down the street on any given day and doing a poll. This is in part due to a huge influx of expats into Singapore in the last 5-10 years. But the ratio, and seemingly preferential selection of white men by Asian (yellow) women and Asian women by white men can’t logically be explained by just chance alone, or ‘true love’.

    There are some of these Asian women who will unabashedly state that they just prefer white men. For the look, their size, the culture, they are superior to Asian men, etc. Yes there are real people out there who would bash their own race and culture. But I find that the vast majority of WMAF women would be rather defensive when asked, especially if they have demonstrated a ‘pattern’ of dating many white men compared to any other race. The usual explanations are that it has nothing to do with race, and just ‘chemistry’, or ‘opportunity’. They often claim they would date any other race as well, but in fact, it is almost unheard of to see a Chinese girl date a black or (South) Indian guy for example. As for the white men here, alot of them come here and want to try an Asian girl perhaps? Because it’s new and exotic. But how many of them really stay to commit to the girls they hook up with. It is a dismal minority. There are real, genuine interracial white guy asian girl couples out there, but I’m inclined to believe that there’s something else at work here driving these patterns of behavior.

    There is pervasive propanganda in our media today, when you open a magazine in Singapore, or in Hong Kong, or even Korea, you will see multiple, multiple images of beautiful white (or Eurasian) men with beautiful Asian girls. You see it everywhere, movies, TV, condominium advertisements, etc. Having a ‘white’ accent is highly sought after by some people, and some people try and fail rather comically to develop an American / British accent. It’s almost like we’re being told in our own Asian countries that the ideal male is white. It is deeply unsettling and troubling to me and reeks of self-shame.

    I think for as long as we hang on to these unhealthy biases in our collective cultural subconscious, we will keep seeing these patterns recur. And some Asian women will keep on submitting to this white domination.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for the insightful and constructive comment, CT. It has never occurred to me that this topic is seldom brought up by Asian girls. I never thought I would be labelled as racist discussing this issue (it seems some people think so) but as you mentioned, this is a very prevalent phenomenon, a phenomenon in my opinion worth discussing so we may understand what’s happening around us.

      I’ve lived in Singapore for quite a while and am familiar with the SPG term. Another commenter has also brought this up and shared the same sentiments, so it seems that there is more to meets the eye to AG/WG relationships, at least in Singapore. Singapore has always been a popular cosmopolitan hub with Caucasian expats, and when I was last in Singapore I do remember seeing a number of AG/WG couples out in Orchard Road. Other couples were of pairings of the same race. Yes, currently there are no hard statistics of the number of AG/WG couples in Singapore or in Asia and of reasons but as you mention there is a strong white presence everywhere you look here. Looking at it from the media perspective: there are instances where Asians are featured in homegrown TV dramas and films (e.g. Ah Boys to Men), but these rarely perform as well or are as popular as American productions. Well-known, major Caucasian bands never fail to be the attraction of New Year Eve parties and major events like the Grand Prix in Singapore.

      It’s hard to see how this mentality of “white” and “white guys” is best will change in Singapore. It must definitely be disheartening to see this going on in such a multicultural city, a city where a number of people don’t seem to have a wider view on the people around them.

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  43. My 2 cents Avatar
    My 2 cents

    Seems the real trend is with blacks and Asians. I understand you are promoting White Men and Asian Woman to help the Chinese women like yourself Mabel find a white man. But the hottest trend is called “Blackenese” and its all over the world and big in the US.

    http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/blackenese

    I hope you are able to find yourself a white man Mabel and I hope he will stay with you past 62, although that is unlikely.

    In the mean time will you stop hating and discriminating against the other ethnicity ? People want to share their inter cultural experiences, not limited to your fetish. White Man Chinese Woman.

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    1. sumo73 Avatar
      sumo73

      I don’t think this site is trying to promote anything apart from trying to have sensible discussion.

      I knew a Canadian guy once who was in a serious relationship with a Japanese woman a few years older than him and he told me that it took a while for her parents to accept him as he wasn’t Japanese and he was black. Also the couple couldn’t communicate very well when they first went out with each other since he spoke almost no Japanese and she spoke very little English but after time and some upheavals they made their relationship a success.

      I think some mixed relationships in general (regardless of nationality or ethnicity)
      have barriers which some people but not all can overcome beyond the attraction of two people to begin with and in time they might fail.

      Anyway thought you might want to have a look at this video (don’t take this offensively however)

      One Love!

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for your thoughts. As I’ve mentioned in a previous comment, this post isn’t about me or my personal life. It’s about taking a closer look at Asian-girl-white-guy relationships and looking at possible reasons behind this coupling. I’m confused as to how you think I’m discriminating against other ethnicities. Focusing on one type of relationship doesn’t mean I don’t respect other races and any other kind of relationship.

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  44. My 2 cents Avatar
    My 2 cents

    “It is even less seldom brought up by Asian girls or white men (the protagonists in this story.)”

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Racism at it finest.

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    1. CT Avatar
      CT

      I don’t see any sensible argument, if you’re trying to make one. Besides throwing out the racist card, and declaring that this site is a job advertisement for white men to hit on Mabel, do you have anything else to share?

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  45. rich Avatar
    rich

    if you need any more proof that the media impacts who you are attracted to just look at the hallyu phenomenon sweeping through the world, especially China. Korean drama My love from the stars is a mega hit there and there are chinese women throwing themselves at korean men over this show. this fetishization of Korean men as a result of hallyu’s global popularity is not a new phenomenon. White men have been doing it to women of other races for decades with movies, TV shows, and music. Those who deny this are just delusional idiots who believe themselves to be exceptional enough that they don’t believe their taste or preferences have been influenced by the media. Wake up people! Most of us including myself are just part of the herd who are easily manipulated and enticed by what we see and hear. There is a very tiny segment of population that can claim that sort of exceptionalism and most likely you are not it. Why do you think you are dressed the way you do? you obviously dress in a fashion that is popular in the media. Hallyu and all the media content that is coming out of SK are just like the Hollywood garbage that has been brainwashing women of color all over the world. This is exactly the reason why so many Asian women have been opening their legs to White men. They have been brainwashed into hating their own kind and they refuse to acknowledge it. As a Korean I’m glad that we have become successful at spreading our propaganda like Westerners and brainwashing women into spreading their legs to us. When korean wave first occured around 8-10 years ago I predicted that more and more non korean women will start throwing themselves at us and everything I predicted came true.

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    1. xxx Avatar
      xxx

      very sound, and somehow it’s a silent acceptance or silent denial that this is true.

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      1. xxx Avatar
        xxx

        but actually rich, korean women are pretty spread out across the world and it’s been done for a few generations. i agree that recently with rubbish like gangnam style or hyuna it will change… but koreans have also been brainwashed by their american ‘saviours’. it is interesting that korea is > 50% christian… for an east asian community.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      That is a very good point, Rich. K-pop and Korean dramas have been ever so popular over the last few years and suddenly, bam, Korean guys and girls are deemed physically and emotionally attractive and don’t mind having a Korean person as their partner. You can most definitely say some women have fetishes for Korean men, especially those who take pride in the way they look and dress. These days so many of us are attracted to the latest fad and what is currently hip. In a sense, it is great to see more women showing interest in Korean men and Asian culture. However, whether this will be so in the next ten years remains to be seen.

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      1. rich Avatar
        rich

        the problem is the sheer dominance of western pop culture all over the world. The west almost has a monopoly on the world pop culture market and they have pretty much been the only voice that tells the rest of the world how they should live. This is how they can shape the world in their image. Why do so many non white ethnic groups have preference for pale skin tone? Why do they have a eurocentric view of what is beautiful? why do they emulate western standards? All these things are driven by the fact that western media dominates our everyday lives and that this has been the case for so long that most people don’t even realize it. try going to any theater in a non white country and 75% of the movies playing in there are big budget hollywood movies starring white people promoting western way of life, beauty, and liberal propaganda. turn on the TV and you can easily watch popular american tv shows like sex and the city, friends, etc. people of color are way more exposed to western propaganda through the pop culture that comes from there than westerners are exposed to other cultures. What annoys me are these idiot white boys and asian women who date them that want to separate themselves from this reality of western dominance of world pop culture. So many of these people actually think that this had no bearing on how they came to be with each other. almost everyone including myself thought that the korean wave would die off like the hong kong action movie wave in a few years but it has gotten stronger and more powerful every year. that has been the case for more than 10 years. at this point you can’t even call it a wave since it is here to stay. if korean wave keeps growing the way it has in the last 10+ years I fully expect more and more Korean guys to get layed by non korean women. I actually think koreans are going to be the only asian group in which more men will get to sleep with white women than korean women will sleep with white men.

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  46. Lucas Grey Avatar
    Lucas Grey

    My wifey and I both only spoke a little of each other’s languages when we met, but we got along nicely. We both work in the same industry and it was natural that we would bump into each other at some point. When I first saw her I thought she was the cutest girl ever and introduced myself. As it turned out we had a lot in common and after a couple of years of being together, we had learned each other’s languages. It definitely has made our relationship stronger.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Lucas. I guess if two people have things in common, they will have something to talk about and it will be easier for them to get along. I supposed you also talked about work back then with your now-wifey to keep the conversations going between the both of you. Learning each other languages sounded like a natural progression in your relationship. I bet the both of you had a lot of fun coaching one another 🙂

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  47. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    The simple truth is that I am attracted to beautiful, intelligent, educated women who are not stuck-up about their beauty (and who like to share meals out). Most of the women who meet this criteria happen to be Asian.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      That’s interesting to hear. It sounds like you usually have a good time with the company you keep, I’m happy for you.

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  48. lisa evers Avatar
    lisa evers

    I think when you start to see a certain ‘trend’ in inter-racial dating, whether it’s asian women with non-asian men, or ‘upwardly-mobile’ black men (i.e. professional ball players) with white wives, it pretty clear that the MAJORITY of these couples are together for reasons having to do with any combination of self-hate/white worship, and racial stereotyping/fetishizing. If this were NOT the case we’d see more variety in the inter racial couples out there. But alas, we do not. It’s the same old trends. Everyone knows that deep down, there is a dating ‘totem pole’. Certain race/gender combinations are considered more desirable than others, and this is based on stereotypes. Gee, I wonder where black women, or asian men, might be on this dating totem pole of which I speak? I also find it supremely interesting how much asian women go on and on about this supposedly rampant ‘yellow fever’, but no one ever wants to talk about the notion of ‘white fever’. (I guess that wouldn’t be poliitically correct.) I also notice that the same asian women who ‘complain’ about yellow fever…nine times out of ten they are dating or married to a NON asian male. But you gotta admit it’s very clever of them. Plant the idea in everybody’s minds that it’s all the men chasing THEM, and then no one will think to question HER and HER motives for being with a non-asian male. Of course she’ll say it was pure coincidence….or she just has a ‘preference’…and that there’s nothing wrong wtih that. Either way I’d say that in general there’s a whole lot of self-hate going on, white worship, and fetishizing. And guys for the most part…all they care is that the woman is half-way decent looking, and if she throws herself at him (which many asian women indeed do), that makes it all the easier for him. But hey, I guess that makes me the racist for stating the obvious, which our politically-correct society is too scared to acknowledge or talk about.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I’m really glad you brought up the notion of “white fever”. I believe it exists and it always plays second fiddle to the idea of “yellow fever”. Because of this, sometimes we overlook the (underlying) motives of women in the Asian-girl-white-guy inter-racial relationships. For all you know, any random Asian woman on the street might fetish Caucasian guys for one reason or another. One reason could be because maybe they really are in love with their white partner because of true love, but I’m sure there are other reasons too. We never really hear about these fetishes spoken out loud and proud by Asian women, I’d like to hear them someday.

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  49. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    The money. It’s all bout the money that’s y u see them with whites more often than not

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks, Joe. Could be the case. There are still Asian women living in poverty in Asia and I won’t be surprised if they unfortunately choose to get together with a Caucasian guy for financial support today.

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  50. Tiffany Avatar
    Tiffany

    I disagree with a lot of this. Why do people often insist that Asian girls are against the submissive stereotype? Why do people insist that white men just have “yellow fever”?

    I’m asian myself. To be honest, I love being subservient to my boyfriend, and I love it when he treats me like a slave… I honestly wish he would do it more often.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Those are very good questions, Tiffany. Some Asians might be submissive, some might not. Some Caucasian guys might have yellow-fever, some may not. Each person has different reasons for dating and being in a relationship. Whatever those decisions are, we should learn to accept these reasons and respect one another for who they are.

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