Understanding The Asian-Girl-White-Guy Relationship

Asian girl and Caucasian guy. Hand in hand walking down the street. It’s a sight that’s becoming more and more common in public these days.

Sometimes these are scenes of true love. Sometimes these two people of different heritage are attracted to each other purely because of the “exotic cultural difference aura” hanging in the air between them.

Photo: Mabel Kwong

Just how do both these kinds of Asian-girl-white-guy relationships work?

The idea of Orientalism offers an explanation as to why the latter type of relationship exists. According to Professor Edward Said, Orientalism is a system of thought in which the West think of themselves as superior over the East in terms of economic and social development, fostering unequal power relations.

As the documentary Seeking Asian Female shows, there are cashed-up, “yellow fever” white men out there who splash out on so-called instant “mail order Asian brides” whom they reckon are submissive enough to be doting wives and cute with their China-doll bangs. It’s worth noting there are many Chinese, Vietnamese etc. women in Asia who voluntarily sign up to become Asian brides, willing to be objects of objectification, not true affection. Not all of them do so to swindle a white man’s money, but do so to escape poverty and put their homemaking desires into action in today’s modern society. In a sense, both parties end up satisfying each other’s perverse pleasures and domesticating fantasies, so creating workable relationships.

Also, in Asian cultures maintaining “face” is much esteemed – having a well-to-do spouse or simply a spouse is admired greatly and lusted after. Definitely a viable proposition as to why some Asian women don’t mind being an “accessory” hanging off their white husband’s arms.

And how do some Caucasian men come to fetishise over Asian women and vice-versa? It’s no secret the media constantly perpetuates notions of Orientalism today and as pretty much daily media consumers, we are often susceptible towards buying into endless stereotypical, often sexualised constructions of Asian women/Caucasian men on TV or YouTube. Or perhaps some of them have lived in secluded towns all their lives where only one Orientalist-drenched train of thought towards other races goes around and that’s all they know.

Then there are Asian girls and Caucasian guys who are sincerely in love with each other. The well-traveled, well-educated Gen-Y individuals appear to be more receptive towards stepping into this kind of relationship. Take for instance this couple: Beijing girl Hannah and Australian guy Alex meet in China, help one another speak the other’s language, come to accept their cultural differences with an open-mind and today reside loved-up in Sydney.

For such a relationship – and any other inter-racial relationship – to last the test of time, mutual respect for each other’s cultures is a natural necessity. Mutual respect goes beyond simply acknowledging each other’s traditions; it’s also about cultural tolerance. Like he taking his shoes off in her house and she going out to barbeques under the sun with him. In line with Hannah and Alex’s story that explains how Alex puts up with Hannah’s “sajiao” tantrums, making the effort to question the importance of and even partaking in the significant other’s customs warrants a stronger understanding of their not only their heritage, but their heritage-influenced personality.

It’s always heartening to see such couples learn each other’s language, especially from scratch. But maybe this is what keeps these relationships going. Don’t we always stop and stutter when we’re speaking to someone in a different language? It can be frustrating, but also fun and amusing – someone’s always saying something in a funny accent and it forces the two people to communicate. Not to mention learning a language and being able to speak it fluently takes time, just like how love often takes time to blossom.

Recently, there was a brief discussion about Asian girls going out with Caucasian guys in the comments section of one of my posts, and Shunlake mentioned:

Photo: Mabel Kwong

In the context of love, sometimes heartfelt actions speak louder than words.

What do you think are the foundations of Asian-girl-Caucasian-guy and inter-racial relationships?

561 responses to “Understanding The Asian-Girl-White-Guy Relationship”

  1. completelydisappear Avatar

    My friend is Asian (Thai same as me) who is married to a French guy as they have been dating since they were in University for doctoral program. They met in the US. I think they can be an example of someone who met and came to understand each other, love each other despite different racial and culture.

    Speaking of another aspect in interracial relationship like girls escaping poverty or single state by marrying with westerners, when I happened to know about that, I try to stop myself from judging them even though I have a doubt in mind. For example, when girls said sth like they can’t communicate in English with her guy but she loves him. As i always think the good relationship needs effective communication, if you can’t convey your thoughts with each other, how can you love each other? Anyway, as I’ve said, who am I to judge them based on my own thought?

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Good on you for not judging inter-racial relationships 🙂 This might sound a bit silly, but if we can’t convey thoughts with each other through words, maybe it’s possible to convey what we are thinking with physical actions or hand gestures. But it’s a possibility.

      Very nice to hear that your Thai friend and French guy are happily together. Interesting to hear that they started dating during their PhD program at university. That would mean they were not young kids when they started dating but rather mature adults, mature adults who would know how to act rationally in situations. It’s because of this I get the perception those of us in our twenties and older are more able to make inter-racial relationships work.

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  2. tdiadvertisingagencydelhi Avatar

    Hmmm Nice post related to true love and even i agree that true love can’t see any thing just blive in your partner and love 🙂

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Yes, sometimes we have to trust ourselves and our partner to foster true love!

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  3. chenjieying Avatar

    My boyfriend and I aren’t of the same race. He’s white, I’m yellow. But we’re genuinely in love. I never see him as ‘that white boyfriend’. I hardly even notice that he’s of a different race – he’s just my boyfriend. He could be white, black, yellow, whatever, you know? But I do agree there is the yellow fever goig around, not forgetting asian girls who throw themselves on any caucasian men they see.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      People are people no matter the colour of their skin. A lot of times, a person’s personality is what makes us attracted to them, not whether they are white, yellow, black etc. There’s only so much we can learn, entertain ourselves and get out of from focusing on/staring at race/skin colour. I guess your boyfriend has a very friendly and fun-loving personality and you love him for precisely this. I do agree with you that there are Asian girls out there who throw themselves at Caucasian man they see. Perhaps these girls are shallowly attracted to white men’s looks. Or maybe white guys are their type of partner in terms of both looks and personal characteristics.

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      1. Bob Avatar
        Bob

        I agree, but in some cases if more and more aw n wm couples are too many it’s not good u know for Asian man. cause anyone can get hurt sometimes, it’s like betraying it’s own race of genetic brother. i believe a good Asian woman will get hurt too, if there are more am n ww couples than wm n aw couples.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Interesting thought there, Bob. Some people simply prefer dating a certain race due to cultural similarities. If majority of couples around us were AW-WM couples, then I’m sure the Asian men out there who prefer being together with an Asian female would feel discouraged. At the end of the day, I think it’s a matter of perspective. We can let what we see around us dictate how we feel. Or we can just glance at things around us, observe and go on our own way with our lives, hoping everything will fall into place. I prefer the latter, because in reality life is extremely unpredictable and good things happen when we least expect it.

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      2. Thi Hoang Anh Nguyen Avatar

        Hello guys well I’ve been reading these kinds of articles for a while now and it’s still kinda unbeliavable for me…

        First of all I’m a Vietnamese girl living in Czech republic in cetral Europe all life long, I belong to the second generation of asians in Czech. The thing is I find these articles or Yahoo! questions about yellow fever and stuff so fascinating as this kind of thing totally doesn’t exist here where I live.

        Mostly the part where asian men are described as unatractive and as a bottom of a totem pole or whatever. Things are sooooo different here in Europe.

        I live in a city of a highest number of asian population in Czech there are almost 10 asians in my class of 30 people. And my point is there is waaay more AM and WF relationships than WM and AF. Two of the most prettiest (Czech ) girls in my class are dating or have dated a asian guy and it’s absolutelly normal to us. Most of asian girls here are not allowed to date a white guy…well parents issues.. but most of them wouldn’t even like o date a white guy.

        Then European guys here still prefer European girl to date (italian, spanish and portuguesse are a white race. we don’t call them hispanic). Well I can show it on my own experience. One of my Czech classmates has fancied me long time ago. He’s a classic athlete: good-looking but not really smart. Anyway I found that out when his soccer teammate told me. His quote: Look Anička have you noticed that JD kinda fancy you? Well trust me he does but you know that he would never confess to you because we (other teammates) would make fun of him.

        Yeah that’s a situation here. Anyway sorry for spaming hope it’s not off topic too much. Plus my native language isn’t English so please don’t pay too much of attention to my grammar mistakes 🙂

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          That is fascinating to hear that there are many AM and WF relationships where you live and that it is considered the norm over there. It must be a very welcoming multicultural town where everyone respects each other’s cultures and differences. Interesting to hear that many Asian girls over where you are don’t really date white guys because of parents and cultural issues. Perhaps it’s a cultural similarity thing – Asians prefer dating Asians because they’ll know their Asian partners will understand their Asian customs and train of thought (e.g. taking shoes off at home).

          On the yellow-fever issue: maybe this is fading away today and not so applicable to the younger generation of AF-WG couples. When you read about yellow fever today, discussion always points towards AF-WG couples in which the Asian female is young and the white guy considerably older than her by at least a decade or two.

          Thanks for sharing and stopping by, Thi. Your English is fine and I enjoyed reading your comment 🙂

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  4. sarahtaylor247h Avatar

    My personal term for this phenomenon is “international beer goggles”, which has both a nice and a not-nice side…the nice stories are where true love conquers AND the protagonists get to learn a new language and change their life trajectories, and those of others, in the process (this is presumably why marriages were a popular way for warring nations to patch up differences!); the ones that don’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling are cases of very good looking, smart, hard working, three dimensional women who are partnered to men who don’t value them as such, and who are not (to my eyes, and I’d be overly optimistic to assume that they are to the women either) putting much effort into these attaining any of these qualities themselves, but are instead trading primarily on economic disparities. It’s certainly not new in terms of the history of marriage, and it’s an entirely understandable course of action for the women involved. But I’d be inclined to put quote marks on “relationship” too. It’s like turning back the clock on marriage, through the geography of economic opportunities – not exactly heartwarming!

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      “International beer goggles”…very interesting term in that and very creative of you to come up with that. Such a shame to see some preying upon their partner for financial returns. Even more so when formal marriage unions are built upon this. I often wonder how people in these kinds of relationship feel. Do they feel greedy? Do they feel misled and confused? Do they feel hollow? Do they even feel love or warm and fuzzy feelings towards one another? It’s hard to tell. In Asian cultures, separation is frowned upon and if a woman is stuck with a disrespectful man, it’s unlikely they will split.

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      1. Sarah Avatar

        I found this site enlightening in a, well, creepy kind of way:
        http://creepywhiteguys.tumblr.com/

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          This is very fascinating. A fist-hand view into what some Caucasian guys think about Asian guys. And it’s very current and updated regularly too. All of the examples show how insensitive and disrespectful some guys can be towards Asian girls. Thanks for sharing, Sarah 🙂

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  5. redearthbluesky Avatar

    A subject I know well 🙂

    The appeal of the exotic may hold an initial fetish for some people but it wont sustain a lasting relationship as the exotic wears off.

    It is a myth that Asian women are more passive than western women. For example, today is moon festival day which tells the story of a an Asian lady that stole a man’s elixar of youth and then flew off into the sky to become the moon. Rather than be angry, the man uses today to give offerings to his love. (I I find the story to be strange as it sounds like the man had no self-respect) Likewise, most Asian wives have somehow managed to persuade the husband to let them control all the money. In Japan, this results in husband having a tiny salary to buy his lunch as he works 14 hours a day while the woman goes shopping. In short, I am convinced many Asian wives wear the pants because it is Asian men who are the passive ones.

    Cultural differences are only an issue if the two individuals chose them to be. It is a bit like dating a girl who has chosen to be religious. if she is, she will let some kind of rules, norms, and values defined by others shape her individual behaviour. Exactly what those rules are and how seriously she takes them tend to be individually defined and some individuals are more prone to outside definition than others.

    As for the language, I once had a Japanese girlfriend who spoke as much English as I spoke Japanese (very little). It was great for a while. Communication was based on looks, smiles, touch and other senses. Unfortunately, my dog died and I was not able to talk about my dog with her and at that moment, I realised that verbal communication is sometimes needed. Ironically, it was hard to communicate that I wanted to breakup because I couldn’t talk to her about my late dog.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Haha! Now that you suggest the man in the historical Mid-Autumn Festival story had no self-respect, I’m looking differently at the festival now.

      Women’s rights have been campaigned a lot around the whole in the last decade, so it’s not surprising to see Asian women wearing the pants in relationships. However, the “non-passive” Asian woman in relationships can at times be seen or come across as aggressive and demanding, aka crazy Asian girlfriend or wife. And perhaps eventually they turn into and fit the mould of the Asian “tiger mum”.

      Verbal communication is definitely a vital part in sustaining a relationship, or else as per your case (my condolences to your late dog), opinions and feelings get lost in translation. Maybe there’s really only so much we can say with hand gestures and smiles. Imagine raising children together with a partner whom you can’t have a one-on-one conversation with. It would be quite chaotic, I presume. Unlike you, the topic of inter-racial dating is foreign to me. I’m sure you have more insightful things to say on this topic than I do 🙂

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      1. redearthbluesky Avatar

        Although it may be counter-intuitive, speaking the same language is no guarantee to strong verbal communication. In Australia, many who speak the same language speak past each other or over each other, and then end up throwing shoes at each other. In China and Japan, many couples who speak the same language just don’t speak at all. Men then get a sugar girl or frequent prostitutes with a level of social acceptance that I must say surprises me.

        While communication is important, I think the more important thing is where the other person sees the family unit. Do they want the family to be a success or for themselves to feel like they have a stronger hand than their partner within the family?

        For my lovely lady, the thing I loved most about her, and which convinced me to marry her, was that she wasn’t self-centred. I felt that she was supportive, considered me in decision making and wanted the best for our relationship. This is what I felt like I was giving the relationship and I wanted the same in return.

        I’d like to think that such a simple positive attitude would be common in this world but I don’t think it is, irrespective of what culture the lady or man comes from.

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  6. mindbodyandscribbles Avatar

    I’m in a solid relationship with who I call the love of my life. He’s of Greek/Hungarian/Scottish/American descent. Did I set out to date someone outside of my culture? Heck no. As a matter of fact, I was set on dating Asians and only Asians because I knew the culture thing would be a big deal. But things happen. For us, it was love. A foundation of ANY relationship is communication, love, and respect. Not gonna lie, there have been times when things were really difficult because of the cultural differences even though the both of us were born and raised in New York but we communicate our wants/needs/thoughts/fears very well to each other and make sure issues are resolved instead of sweeping them under the rug. It’s not a race thing, it’s a love thing. 🙂

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I know many Asians who say that they prefer dating Asians, purely because they think they get along better with Asians as opposed to someone who’s not Asian. But I’ve seen some of them get together with someone not of Asian descent. I’ve also seen some of them actively avoid going out and considering being in relationships with non-Asians, which I think is quite strange because I believe you can’t force love.

      Communication, love and respect. I completely agree with you that they are the essential foundations of any romantic relationship. Sounds like you exemplify these qualities in your relationship – you and your partner have differences but are bent on talking them through and coming to resolutions. Good work 🙂

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    2. coolwhipthenstrip Avatar
      coolwhipthenstrip

      It’s funny that you just “happened” to “fall in love” with a white guy. It’s hilarious that Asian chicks thirsty for white dudes say that. They “just happened” to end up with a white guy but “wasn’t looking for a white guy.”

      Is that why whenever you see an Asian girl dating out in any city, any country it’s ALWAYS a white guy and never a black dude or mexican guy? She could be in New York where it’s a racial mix, if she’s dating out you can guarantee the dude’s not going to be black. In LA? Same deal.

      Yeah, it “just happened.” Sorry to break it to you honey, it’s not supernatural. Maybe instead of beating around the bush and making excuses, you should ask yourself, why you’re so thirsty for white dudes?

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      1. qflux Avatar
        qflux

        Why should she ask herself that? Because you have some chip on your shoulder? Work your own issues out in therapy. She doesnt owe you any explanation. Honestly you sound like a racist which is quite ironic.

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  7. Jessica Avatar

    I’m so sorry I’m so late to jump on this bandwagon. I saw this post several days ago but didn’t have time to comment!

    An interesting subject you’ve chosen, Mabel. If white guys with Asian girls is a big deal, how big do you think it was that I dated a dark-skinned Asian in Hong Kong? A white girl with an Asian guy almost *never* happens… People stared at us all the time. But for us it was about love, too. Nothing else. Unfortunately, for a number of reasons, the relationship didn’t work out, but that happens between two white people, too.

    I have a good friend (a white guy) who recently married a Taiwanese girl he met when he moved there to teach several years ago. For them, it is true love undoubtedly, although yes they’ve had to make some compromises to make their relationship work. They now live in… Vietnam, actually. I guess they just moved, but formerly they were in Taipei.

    But I know what you mean about the stereotypes and mail order brides. When I was in Ho Chi Minh City a few years ago, I met a Chinese-born girl who’d grown up in Vietnam who was telling us all kinds of stories about Vietnamese women who were signed up to be mail-order brides as a way to escape their current situations. She herself had met an older man over the Internet whom she planned to marry. I am friends with her on facebook, and she did, in fact, go on to marry this guy and now lives in Southern California. From what I can tell, she seems happy. (Her English was always very good, by the way.) But I will say that when I first heard her and other girls’ stories, I was shocked. I really had no idea such mail-order systems still existed. It is a sad thing to think about, honestly, and yet… Because the world is not ideal, if this is a way in which these women can find a better life, well, I think it’s brave of them to go for it.

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    1. Jessica Avatar

      I just read redearthbluesky’s comment, and realized that I should add, about my own relationship in Hong Kong that… While, yes, in the beginning things were really good (his English was very, very good), after a while some things about the language differences frustrated me. I cannot speak Canto, and his English vocabulary was fairly limited. I found it frustrating to constantly have to be explaining the meaning of words, such as “fierce,” and eventually that, in addition to other personality differences we had, broke our relationship.

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    2. Hsin-Yi Avatar

      Yeah one rarely sees an Asian guy with a white woman. My great great grandfather married a white Australian woman and they went back to China together. She learnt to speak Cantonese and my grandmother said she was very good at it too. I guess it works out differently but yeah, unfortunately the mail bride system still exists. I think it’s quite prominent in the Philippines too

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      1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        It’s hard to gauge how widespread the mail-order bride market is. It’s sort of a hush-hush arena. No one really speaks openly about it in China/Vietnam/Philippines. I’m not criticising this system or mocking it. I just find it intriguing how some people are willing to pay cash in return for love. I guess to these people, money can buy love.

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    3. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      You are right, Jess. In Asia, you rarely see a white girl go out with dark skinned/Asian guy. Even here in Australia, you don’t see this too often. You must have felt like you were a part of a celebrity couple in Hong Kong, with all those pairs of eyes on you. You’re also right in saying compromises keeps inter-racial relationships ticking. There’s bound to be disagreement over one another’s customs or train of thought, and if we can’t accept this then you’ll be stuck in a quarrelsome relationship. I’m sorry to hear that your relationship with the Asian guy didn’t work out. I’m sure that he was a nice guy with nice manners, but it just wasn’t meant to be.

      I find it hard to believe the mail-order bride market exists too. It seems that such a market is hush-hush and it’s not talked about openly on the streets in broad daylight. If you know the right people (in your case), you’ll gain insight into it.

      I was amused when you say that this was an interesting subject I chose to write about. It’s a subject that interests me, yes, Jess. Each week, I usually go with my gut instinct and let the topic “choose me” (it feels right!) and I’ll write about it, as opposed to me just picking out and forcing what I want to write. It’s hard to explain 🙂

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      1. Hsin-Yi Avatar

        I have my reservations about the mail order bride system, but then again if there’s demand then there’s a market (yeh that’s capitalism). I’ve seen really old white guys with young Asian wives and I often immediately think yep, that’s a mail order bride. Some do it to escape poverty, and when they get their PR they can sponsor their families to come over. It’s sort of mutual help; the woman wants to have a better life for her and the family and the old guy wants to have a woman legally in the house for whatever reasons

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      2. Jessica Avatar

        Yeah, we got a lot of looks in Hong Kong, that’s for sure! Especially when we went to his home which was not a place where many foreigners hung out. Have you spent much time in Hong Kong?

        He was a great guy, but, yes, cultural differences aside, we just weren’t a good long-term match.

        And I know what you mean about your subjects choosing you! I feel the same way. I can’t write much when I’m not feeling inspired.

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    4. redearthbluesky Avatar

      I’m going to be a bit cynical here about the mail order brides thing and say that the trait is a more obvious example of a basis of relationship formation that is dominant all over the world and within cultures. In short, in most cultures, most women will marry for money and most men will marry for beauty. They may then come up with some excuse about why they are marrying for a reason other than what they are. When it is a white man with an Asian woman, it is a little more difficult to come up with those excuses. For example, we see men who tend to be a bit old and fat with gorgeous young ladies and the assumption is that she is obviously attracted to the improvement in socio-economic position and he is attracted to a body. If it was a 50-year-old Caucasian movie star, rock star or businessman marrying a 25-year-old Caucasian airhead model, perhaps we could explain it away as an example of two people with such good communication skills that they can find love across the generations.

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      1. Jessica Avatar

        I won’t disagree with anything you said!

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    5. coolwhipthenstrip Avatar
      coolwhipthenstrip

      Jessica,

      White girls with Asian guys isn’t a thing that “never” happens. The most eligible Asian bachelors I know either have a white girlfriend, or only date white girls (1 guy is with a Hispanic chick from San Fran).

      The dudes are fit, and pretty successful (what girls generally constitute as attractive). They’re all dating white chicks, totally turned off by Asian ones. Say Asian chicks are too status oriented.

      One thing their girlfriends have all pointed out that I’ve began to notice is, usually on the West coast like in the Bay Area or Southern Cali, when you see a White dude with an Asian girl, that couple usually consists of a dorky looking white dude, and an unattractive Asian girl. But it’s the opposite with White girls and Asian guys. Usually the White girl is really pretty, and the Asian guy is good looking. They think that it’s because White girls/Asian guys usually meet up at college events like frat/sorority mixers, or the dude is on a sports team, so they tend to be less weird, more physically attractive.

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      1. Jessica Avatar

        Hmm. You’re right. I shouldn’t have generalized like that, I guess. What I *should* have said is that, during my time in Asia, I rarely saw white girls with Asian men but the opposite was quite common. It is not an overarching theme, though, you are absolutely right. Thank you!

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  8. BLT Avatar

    It would be hard make one general comment about what this is all about. As many had commented, I’ve seen a lot of it as true love. The man treats the woman well, and vice versa. Something about their personalities simply match and it results as true love. On the other hand, I’ve seen Asian women state publicly that they are with a white male because they feel it is “dating up.” Their perception of what it means to date up varies tremendously across couples, but the end result is the same: there is a perception that they are moving up in the socioeconomic ladder. They can do whatever they want: everyone has a right to live the way they want as long as they don’t hurt anyone else intentionally.

    It doesn’t matter so much to me, as I will date whoever I sense chemistry with. I only have gripes if the man or woman dates another race but at the same time explains the reasoning by putting down their own race of the opposite sex. That’s just uncalled for, and I’ve seen a lot of that too.

    -Brian

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for your thoughts, Brian. There are definitely many strands of thoughts to the topic of inter-racial relationships. Very interesting to hear you say that you’ve seen some Asian women state they go out with Caucasian males, “dating up” and moving up the socio-economic level. Time and time again, I hear my relatives talk about my aunts marrying white men – all the while you can sense jealously in their voices and they never fail to mention about how the white men have big houses with big gardens, how they can easily send their children to university and have lots of shiny money-can-buy toys such as cars and branded bags.

      Sometimes, I see some who don’t put down their own race of the opposite sex. Rather, they turn a blind eye to those of their own race of the opposite sex and focus on the “attractive” exotic qualities of other races of the opposite sex.

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      1. Hsin-Yi Avatar

        I may sound judgmental but I find that it’s a pity that people just want to move up the socio-economic ladder. It gives the idea that only the white man can provide for their superficial and material needs, and that the white man is ‘superior’ and the Asian guy can never achieve a high socio-economic status.

        If it’s true love and the couple doesn’t care which economic or social status they are from, then I applaud this. But if one of the requirements is higher socio-economic status, I’m not very comfortable with this.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          I agree with you Hsin-Yi, and I’m not very comfortable either with Asian women (and others too) hooking up to move up a social class or two. A lot of Hong Kong/Mandarin/Cantonese dramas draw out lengthy romantic story lines playing upon this. So you would think you would gain some insight about why people do this. But from these dramas (I’ve stopped watching because I don’t buy the melodramatic stories) I still don’t understand why people get together for this reason.

          As BLT suggests, a face-to-face conversation with people who think this way so we can understand their train of thought.

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      2. BLT Avatar

        Hsin-Yi, I agree with your thoughts. As for the person marrying to try and move up the socio-economic ladder, I’d actually like to have that person explain their perspective, that way I think I can understand what they are really thinking.

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  9. shunlake Avatar
    shunlake

    Actually, while I can understand why women want to move up the social ladder, though I think that it is hard for the relationship to last if there is no connection. I find it hard to digest reasons such as it is cooler to be with a white guy and things along that line. On the other hand, It is admirable when two individuals of vastly different backgrounds get together to know and understand each other’s cultures, and take the extra efforts to learn the partner’s language and customs.

    Unfortunately, guys in Singapore are quite bitter abt their local girls hanging out with white guys, thus being quick to shoot down any of such relationship without considering the connection bet the couples. Though heck care abt them as long as the girl finds her true love (not golden tortoise).

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It’s sad some girls think it’s cooler to be with a white guy. Maybe these girls like white guys because they are willing to spend more on them, or white guys in their eyes are good-looking. If so, then it’s a really shallow relationship. And yes, when I was living in Singapore, I got the sentiment some local guys felt white guys were “stealing” the Singaporean girls from them. But this is really judgemental behaviour and I agree with you that we shouldn’t pay much attention to these guys.

      p/s – Hope you don’t mind I quoted your comment in this post. Thank you for reading and commenting 🙂

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  10. redearthbluesky Avatar

    Looking at the comments,it seems the socio-economic factors come up a lot. While it is no doubt an attraction for many (as I said in one post) you can’t really use socio-economic perceptions to explain attractions between Singaporean women,South Korean women, Japanese women and Taiwanese women with Caucasian men as those countries have a comparable if not superior socio-economic standard than most countries where Caucasian men come from.

    In addition, there is also a degree of mail-ordering brides going on between Asian countries. For example, due to a female shortage in China many men who haven’t been able to find a bride at dating markets are not seeking one in Vietnam.

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    1. Hsin-Yi Avatar

      I think it does play up as a factor because there’s this ongoing perception in Asia that white people are more affluent. Maybe it’s in the mindset of Asian women, they think it’s a high priority to have a husband who can provide for them and support the family. They think by marrying a white person they can go and live in the ‘affluent’ west and get a big house, car and job but in reality, western countries today are struggling with so many things i.e. employment. Not to mention western film does play a strong role in supporting that and naivety.

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      1. redearthbluesky Avatar

        Perhaps in China yes but not in countries like Japan and to a lesser extent Singapore and South Korea.

        I would agree that film plays a role but not in defining Caucasians as wealthy. I know Chinese and Japanese ladies who really want a French man because movies tell them that the French are all romantic or an Englishman because English are gentlemen. (Not sure how Australians are positioned by movies.) Then they date someone from the respective countries and find they are not like the movies.

        Again, this is not just an east defining things to the west issue. For example, I once met a Taiwaness woman that tried to get a South Korean man because in Korean drama, the men are strong and stand up for the woman. In reality, she found that South Korea men very unlike the dramas.

        The Chinese man’s attitude to Japanese women intrigued me. On one hand, they hated the Japanese women as they were Japanese and being raised on a diet of anti-Japanese sentiment seemed to filter in. That said, secret exposure to some Japanese media had built an attraction. I even heard that there is a Chinese expression that ‘heaven is a Chinese cook and a Japanese wife.’ (They only ever said that when they were a bit drunk. When sober, the “I hate Japanese” face prevailed.)

        Personally, I think much of the attraction often stems from people wanting to escape culture. While some individuals love culture, others don’t and if you marry someone from a different culture, you can escape your own culture.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          I think the both of you are making a lot of sense on this topic, Hsin-Yi and RedEarthBlueSky. In Asia, there is a strong work-ethic, thrifty culture. In the West, there is a more relaxed, lavish attitude and we (Asians) often perceive Caucasian men and women as holiday-people who get luxurious goods. This is definitely portrayed in film, and of course in other forms of media as well especially in TVB dramas.

          Yes, indeed some people want to escape their own culture. Hooking up with someone of another race allows one to “adopt” their culture as much as they like, which can make the relationship work and everyone will applaud them for doing so. Nothing wrong with this. But I pity those who distance themselves from their heritage. There’s really nothing to be ashamed of of one’s roots as everyone is their own person.

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  11. Hsin-Yi Avatar

    I agree with Mabel, I do pity those who escape their culture and ashamed of one’s roots. There are people I’ve seen marrying someone of a different race because they think the foreign race fits them, and their own race/culture is not good enough for them. I have nothing to say to those people.

    And Redblueearthsky, your comment about Chinese people “being raised on a diet of anti-Japanese sentiment” is somewhat one-sided. In Japan they are still teaching children that it was perfectly okay for the Japanese Imperial Army to kill millions of Asians because they needed to be ‘saved’. And they made up a figure of 3000 people being killed in Nanjing but it in fact it was 300,000. Today, there are not many local Nanjing people left. Did you know the Japanese Imperial Army’s motto? “Kill all, Loot All and Burn All”. And I want to bring up the textbook changes, the Japanese government whitewashing everything?

    If the Japanese are actually repentant and want to make good relations with China, then that’s great. But it’s because of their insincere apologies that anger the Chinese and understandably so. It’s like someone shoots you with a gun, apologises, then shoots you again and says “it’s not my fault, you were too slow to dodge the bullet!”

    It’s because the Japanese government is still unrepentant about their WW2 antics and they actually still think they were right all along.

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  12. redearthbluesky Avatar

    Perhaps I should rephrase it as a selective escaping of culture. They may want to hold onto a knowledge of how to make dumplings or okinomiyaki but they don’t want to live with their parent-in-laws, defer to men, do all the housework because they are a woman, work 15 hours a day because they are a man, or be considered unattractive because they don’t match a certain definition of beauty in that culture. (Even Chairman Mao tried to escape culture when he launched the cultural revolution. Ironically, now some Chinese want to escape that heritage by undoing what Mao worked for.)

    On the flip side, there are westerners that are attracted to traditional culture and I think are attracted to the opportunity to have a culture. For example, in Australia there is a fair bit of negative social stigma with a woman who wants to be a housewife but in Japan, it is celebrated. I have known western women who I suspect married Japanese men and taken on traditional Japanese culture in order to be able to become housewives in a social celebrated way. Likewise, I’ve known western men who have become a bit obsessed with adopting the traditional culture of their Japanese wives.

    As for what Japanese children are taught, it that based on your experience of living in Japan or believing the Chinese communist party?

    Chinese people themselves (even with the rote learning education system) are the first to concede the Communist Party is not always a particularly objective when it comes to historical documentation.

    I tend to be skeptical that the Japanese army had that slogan because if they did, they would have also implemented it the Philippines,Indonesia and other countries. Today, those countries would be joining China and the Koreas in anti-Japanese boycotts. Instead, the people of the countries seem to dislike China must more. So why is that? Did the Japanese army act differently in different countries or are the governments of different countries using history in a different way?

    I’m not saying Japanese army didn’t do some bad things, but as soon as someone starts saying my side was perfect and the other side was all evil, I tend to think that person has lost the plot – no offence but a spade needs to be called a spade.

    In any case, if you are more worried about what students are learning in Japan than you are about environmental destruction in China, rampant corruption, cancerous food, deaths in the workplace, extreme poverty and so on, then I’d say you don’t have your priorities in order.

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  13. Hsin-Yi Avatar

    Redearthbluesky, I think you are ignorant about China and Asian history and WW2. Firstly, the coverage of Japan’s controversial textbooks were also reported in the BBC (so if it’s in non-Chinese press it’s legit, right?): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1257835.stm

    Indeed there are still issues in China but I was talking about Japan’s unrepentence towards its war crimes and you swayed into another subject matter. I never said Japan was ‘evil’, you just exaggerated. So, your ‘side’, are you Japanese?

    China and Korea suffered the most casualties during Japan’s military aggression. Of course, WW2 in Asia isn’t covered much in the West because it didn’t matter to them. There are so many things you are not aware of (or maybe you just don’t want to admit to them?). Japan wanted to be the alpha leader in Asia so in order to do so, they had to topple China.

    Looking at the silly little antics the Japanese government is doing – adding to the fact that they are America’s subservient lapdog – it’s understandable that China is suspicious of the Japanese government.

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  14. redearthbluesky Avatar

    Hsin-Yi

    Environmental damage, corruption, and repression affects people unequally in China. Some Chinese benefit from these things and some suffer from it. When individual Chinese prioritize the contents of a textbook in Japan over these issues in China, I suspect they are from the group that benefits from them.

    Anyway, I am Australian, not Japanese but I can understand where the Japanese prime ministers are coming from when they visit the shrine. It reminds me of the Ode that we Australians say on Anzac Day:

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
    We will remember them.

    It is not about passing judgement on the dead, but just remembering them. I like the fact our Australian approach to war remembrance has made it easy for me for be great friends with Japanese people and allowed me to have relationships with Japanese women in the past.

    I suppose this is an example of my cultural heritage that I would not have been able to give up when I married a Chinese woman. Fortunately, my Chinese wife doesn’t hate Japanese or get into any of jingoism you go on about. I could not have been with her if she had. She is more concerned about corruption, poisoned food, environmental vandalism and inequality in China.

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    1. Hsin-Yi Avatar

      There’s environmental damage, corruption and repression around the world but the focal lens like to pinpoint it to China. While I acknowledge these things are happening in China but they are making the effort to tackle these issues (but I don’t see the point of trying to convince you this is happening because you already have a biasness against China anyway). I am concerned about these issues too and I certainly hope these issues will go away soon but what I am exasperated about is people pretending to understand and know the China-Japan relations.

      No one has ever said China has made a wonderful achievement by lifting millions out of poverty and the cities are ever growing and it’s a pity to see people like you just refusing to acknowledge the good things that are also happening.

      You can’t compare ANZAC to WW2 that’s just ridiculous. I don’t see the German Chancellors visiting Nazi or Gestapo memorials. That’s because Germany is willing to acknowledge its history and the things they had done and now they are working hard with other EU countries on economic issues. Unlike the Japanese Prime Ministers, they still pay respects to war criminals and often attempts to whitewash the crimes they committed in Asia. This, to me, says they are too cowardly to admit their faults. It’s just like if someone robbed all the valuable things in your house, they are caught and the person only says “I didn’t still much but just one thing!”

      It’s not Jingoism, it’s merely stating a fact. It’s funny that you think anything that comes out from China or the Chinese government it must be jingoism or propaganda. Is it because it’s a communist government? You haven’t a clue who are the bigger liars and hypocrites out there. My advice to you is if you are ignorant of international relations, or on anything, please don’t say anything at all. All you ever do is complain about China being this and now I’m not even sure what sorts of things that your wife tells you about China.

      Australia has nothing against Japan because Japan is a western ally, they are a loyal watchdog for the US. There is no criticism in Australian media or government about Japan because they are a friend of the West and a non-competitor in the Asian region whereas they perceice China as one. Australia has a problem with China for a long time, one of the reasons why the Federation was formed was because we fear China will ‘invade’ us. There are many war vetarans who still remember what the Japanese did to them. If Japan actually sincerely apologies and cooperates positively with China and Korea that would be wonderful, but their government are just a bunch of sycophants.

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      1. redearthbluesky Avatar

        Do you think Britain has showed enough remorse for invading China and forcing it to let it sell opium? Has Mongolia shown enough remorse for invading China and eliminating whole cities? Has China shown enough remorse for invading Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang? By not letting the people be independent, I guess the answer is no.

        Anyway, I am not into holding present generations responsible for actions of the past. Therefore, I am not going to hold it against China for not apologising to Tibetans, Uigurs and indigenous Taiwaness whose ancestors were harmed by Chinese aggression. Cultural difference I suppose.

        This thread is about cultural differences but this topic also shows political differences are big barriers in relationships as well. People with different political approaches to life would struggle to form relationships, even friendships, when they are so opposed on some issues. Sometimes the political viewpoints are shaped by the countries we are from but people from the one country may also be very opposed.

        All I can say is that before you came to Australia and got yourself a radio station, you must have lived in a bubble in China. One day I suggest you return. Speak to some poor people. Speak to some Tibetans. Speak to some Uigurs. Look at the rivers. Suck in the air. Feed some of the infant formulae to your baby.

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      2. Hsin-Yi Avatar

        **For some reason I can’t answer directly to Redearthbluesky’s most recent response but nonetheless I shall respond here.**

        Your nonsensical quibbles are now beginning to amuse me.

        Of course Britain hasn’t shown any remorse over its colonial days, but we’re not talking about Britain or any other country. You’re just swaying away from the topic of Japan’s unrepentence over WW2. Now you’re sounding exactly like one of those ultra right-winged Japanese imperialists who try to shift the topic and say “there are others doing it too, so why aren’t we allowed?” Just because Britain hasn’t shown any remorse doesn’t mean Japan is excused.

        There are plenty of other territorial disputes going around the world – you’re just another one of those Australians who is now taking the moral high ground of critiquing other country’s human rights abuses while refusing to fix-up one’s own human rights record. In the 19th century Britain had covert operations in Tibet to split it away from China. Have you spoken to Tibetans before? I have. They are living a good life now – it’s only the Lamas that are stirring up shit because in the old times they had so much power and they were just as bad as dictators. The Chinese government is pouring in so much money and investments in Tibet and Xinjiang, giving people jobs, universities and opportunities. If those two regions were on its own it will not survive. Take Tibet for example, it’s an arid and dry land that virtually can’t grow anything, no other country will want to invest in that. Do you think the West will come and rescue it just like it had made a promise to the former communist blocs? No.

        And once again, you seem to think that I am overlooking the environmental issues in China. I don’t feel good about it either because China is a beautiful country and I don’t want to see it ruined either. But again, you seem to fail to acknowledge that the government is indeed trying to tackle environmental issues but you probably won’t understand that it’s not an easy step. First of all, they can’t shut down too many factories because of jobs and production – do you know how many countries buy things from China? Cleaning up the environment is not an easy step but at least there’s some initiative now. China is a big country so when things need to be done or improved, it will take longer. But again, your obstinance will only get in your way of thinking deeper and more broadly.

        I wish I were in China because Australia seems to breed a lot of people who like to live in bubbles like you. They fear, they are ignorant and when they see some other countries that are developing they will slander them. Your ideas and views are painfully skewed and provincial. There seems to a prevalance of bubble-dwellers in Australia – maybe there is something wrong with Australia’s baby formulae. Or, as they say in China, frogs that live in a well.

        Time is precious, so I am going to move on to something else.

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      3. shover3333 Avatar

        It’s refreshing to hear you speak. Not many people (especially westerners) know what was and is going on in Tibet. Funny thing is the British invaded Tibet first and it’s well known that the Dalai Lama had close ties with Nazi Germany and somehow Hollywood managed to spin off a ridiculous “Seven Years in Tibet” movie.

        I especially like the way you use the phrase “moral high ground”. I feel just as sick with this kind of hypocrisy. At least we asians (Chinese, Koreans, and to some extent Japan) got rich through sheer hard work and not through exploitations like the British, Canada, US, Australia, etc. (they are still doing that in Africa while China is paying market price for the commodities and somehow China is viewed as the bad guy).

        It’s easy to take the moral high ground now since you already occupied vast lands and resources . How about returning them and your wealth and after that you can start preaching and I will start listening.

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  15. Peter Feng Avatar
    Peter Feng

    MAJORITY of Non East Asian guys with East Asian girls are stereotypical

    So for the guys, they think East Asian girls are easy, exotic, submissive, good in bed, make a good partner (which I think its highly exaggerated), live their lives through Japanese porn thinking that’s what Asian girls are like. Others basically into East Asian Entertainment so would obviously want an East Asian girl, they are most likely self haters because I have met many of them and they don’t even embrace their western side (in my case, British as I’m based in the UK). You could also explain why the heck East Asia has so many English speaking male teachers, its obviously they are after more than just pay and experience in that working field, because not many women go to East Asia to teach English.

    Whereas for the East Asian girls, they are self haters, don’t want to associate themselves with the Asian culture, sees white skin as superior, brainwashed by the Western media as they portray Asian guys in a stereotypical negative light and portrays white guys as the good looking bada$$ who saves peoples life’s (main characters). They also automatically assume western guys are rich when seeing a western guy in their city. Whereas for the western East Asian girls, they are as bad as they talk bad about the East Asian features because us western East Asians have different features than those based in East Asia and are too westernized so consider themselves more western than East Asian, they don’t really consider themselves Asian and even offended if guys look at them as a Asian girl than one of them, they are more white-washed, 40% of East Asian American girls in America date outside their race, that is high and will certainly increase, take away these MAJORITY, then we’ll see an equal chance of any interracial couple, so one interested in East Asian girls and vice versa are stereotypical and for wrong offensive reasons!

    Its funny how you mentioned East Asian women and white guys but not East Asian guys and white women/non-East Asian women.

    Its obvious you among many many many East Asian women are ashamed of their heritage. How can you question the stereotypes of East Asian women wanting white guys, either its because of money, green card, sees white skin as superior etc, but make out like its justified for you and others to date white guys because of love, it that is the case, then how would you know all East Asian women would say the same thing. “I’m dating this guy because of love, not because of green card or whatever, it was just a coincidence that I fell in love with a white guy”.

    If you honestly think East Asian girls with white guys being the most common interracial couple, then you are seriously deluded and maybe you should carry on living in your own world.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I chose to deliberately talk only about the topic of Asian women dating Caucasian guys and not East Asian guys dating non-Asian women as the latter is another topic altogether (each person in either relationship arguably has a different mentality and are attracted to different characteristics). I do acknowledge towards the end of this post that there is the possibility Asian women (whether Asian women living in Asia or in Western countries) get together with white guys due to true love between them and nothing else.

      I am confused as to why you think I’m deluded and ashamed of my Asian/Chinese heritage. This is because in no way is this post about me or about my dating habits or the things I look for in a relationship. This post was written with the purpose of exploring theories on the “yellow fever” phenomenon in the context of relationships. I’m very proud of my roots and will hot hesitate to tell anyone that I’m Chinese. I’m also in the midst of improving my mother tongue and reading up on Chinese history and international relations.

      There is nothing wrong with questioning stereotypes. No rule against this in the world. Questioning stereotypes allows us to observe and note differences, and learn why certain cultures behave the way they do. Of course, not everyone fits the stereotype. There will always be some East Asian girls who think Caucasian guys are superior. There will always be some Asian girls in the West who think of themselves as Westernised (or maybe not westernised Asian girls) and prefer white guys. Or maybe even prefer Asian guys, Africa guys or just any guy they reckon are compatible with regardless of race. The world is a strange place.

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    2. redearthbluesky Avatar

      Hi Peter,

      I am not sure if you put me in the stereotype or not. Anyway, it seems I have a different stereotype to you. There are a variety of reasons that bring non-Asians to Asia. I feel a little bit sorry for you that you think the only attractions are women. That sounds like you have some self-esteem issues.

      There is a lot of prejudice associated with inter-racial relationships. In China, Falun Gong believes the offspring will go to hell. Falun Gong aside, there are a lot of views similar to yours about Chinese women being brainwashed. In Japan, there is a belief that the offspring will be intellectually inferior. In Australia there is some prejudice as well, such as views that the Asian woman was brought via a magazine. That said, I think Australia has the highest rate of inter-cultural marriage in the world.

      No matter which culture you come from, if you marry across cultures you will have to put up with your kind of prejudice. It’s sad but that’s just the way the world is.

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  16. meph Avatar
    meph

    Whats with the worldwide campeign to stop asian girls from dating white guys? Its near impossible for us to get Asian girls now.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      With a little confidence and a simple “Hello”, we pretty much have a chance of going out with any girl or guy of our liking.

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      1. mephisto Avatar
        mephisto

        Yeah, but I have the asian girl preference you so despise, and have no intention of working to change it.

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  17. redearthbluesky Avatar

    Hsin-Yi,

    If you wish you were in China, what is stopping you returning? Parents using you to siphon their corruptly gained money into Australia? I must say, Chinese corruption has been good for Australia. Perhaps the patriotic thing for me as an Australian might be to shut up about it.

    I am not sounding like a Japanese nationalist at all. I am just pointing out that you are targeting Japan in a way you are not targeting others, including the Communist Party that caused the death of 30 million Chinese in famine. As I told you in my last post, I don’t hold present generations responsible for the crimes of the previous.

    Tibet and Xinjiang were only part of China in the way China and Korea were part of Japan. Again it is inconsistent to say a powerful group should not invade the weak but then support China doing exactly that. Maybe Tibetans are better off as part of China or maybe they aren’t. Again, another cultural difference here between you and me here. In the 70s, some Papua New Guineans asked for independence from Australia and Australia said yes and I support that. Maybe they are better off independent or maybe they aren’t but the choice was theirs and so is their future. In the same way, maybe China would not be third world today if western nations had let Japan conquer all of China and rule it.

    Anyway, Tibetans tend to be quite peaceful and you would have seen from the Olympic protests how some of them feel. However, may I suggest you take yourself on a study tour of Southern Xinjiang. If you are a Han Chinese, I would not expect you to have a long life expectancy if you traveled alone. The fact that Uigurs would want to kill you based on your appearance might give an indication about how they feel about what has been happening over the last 50 years. I am not supporting either side just pointing out your hypocrisy.

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  18. Mephisto Avatar
    Mephisto

    I also find it funny how white men are horrible for liking many asian girls, but asian men are encouraged to sleep with as many different white girls as possible.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      A very good point, Mephisto. Asian men are often thought of as the “weaker” sex up against Caucasian men, Caucasian men who seem to always get a hold of of Caucasian women. So latching on to a white woman can be an unconscious, uplifting ego thing for Asian men and seen as an achievement in the eyes of some (though I’m sure there are lots of these couples in truly in love).

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      1. meph Avatar
        meph

        Oh. It aint “unconscious.” And what makes you think even half are based on love and not revenge? Oh right, cus interracial can only be bad if white guys do it.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          It can be based on love, and it can be based on revenge. It depends on the individual and his/her motives, I suppose. Or perhaps sometimes Asian guys get together with white girls because that’s the only kind of individual they seem to attract. Many possibilities, really.

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  19. kokatoo333 Avatar
    kokatoo333

    I hate to ruin the party, but what’s all the talk about true love? Let’s assume for a minute that most couples are together because of true love and let’s examine the white guy and asian girl relationship. The statistics don’t lie. Asian girls marry outside their race far more than other races. So for some reason they tend to love (truly) only white guys? Something must be going on. Asian guys have always been disparaged in western media and self hating asian girls are just making the matters worse. When asian guy criticized about this they are seen as bitter, and when asian girls criticized how unattractive asian guys are they always seem to be telling the truth. For all those asian girls out there who only date white guys, let me remind you your Dad is asian as well. Don’t forget how your white counterparts plundered and treated our forefathers. And how they oversexualize asian girls and portray the men as evil, conniving, and having a small junk.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      True that Asian girls are marrying outside of their race more than other races – but I’m sure not in all parts of the world and there are definitely Asian girls who are attracted to Asian guys. I’m sure there are some Asian girls out there who still have the mentality that they should marry within their own race for “face” sake. The media is often a manipulative piece of tool. Pretty much everything we see and hear on commercial TV and radio is scripted and deliberately constructed to portray a certain perspective. It’s definitely very tiresome to see how Asian guys are often stereotypically portrayed as disgruntled and helpless in the media (e.g. always the bad guy or lowly waiter in Western films). Sadly, stereotypes gain attention and sell. And no wonder capitalist media use stereotypes all the time.

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      1. shover3333 Avatar

        The problem is many asian girls played into these stereotypes and making us all asians look bad. Have you heard of the term SPG in Singapore? Do you know how it came about? It came from colonial days when in parties the only asians you see are asian girls wearing sarongs, overly sexualized. And what about the guys? They are being discriminated against. You might be interested to read up more on history on how our people our people were treated and even today this is still going on. Anything from asia is weird, no human rights etc, and you always need the white men to rescue the poor asians.

        Am I against interracial relationships? I would say no. But it makes me feel sick in the stomach that it’s only white guys they are interested in. This whole notion of marrying into their own race runs contrary to my experience. As an asian guy would I be interested to date outside my own race? Hell yeah. But am I given the same chance to date say white girls? Nope, the western media made it close to impossible for asian guys to date white girls. And how about some asian girls? They are known to throw themselves to white guys.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Yes, I have heard of the term Sarong Party Girl, and as you described, it originated in the colonial days. Asian girls in Singapore would be invited to British military parties, all dressed up as much or as little as you can imagine. Majority of guys in Asia/Singapore today as been in the past are of Asian descent. So the presence of a Caucasian person would cause a lot of attention…purely because white people look and act different – there’s always some fascination with the “Other”.

          I’m sure that not all Asian girls in Asia lust after white guys and don’t believe they need “rescuing” from them. Usually if you are confident about yourself and believe in what you are do, the right people will be attracted to you.

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      2. shover3333 Avatar

        The majority of them are not thankfully. But a significant minority of them do and from the statistics quoted earlier, it doesn’t reflect well on us. I have a feeling most asian guys don’t give a damn because they assume the asian girls that are crazy over white guys are mostly ugly girls who are rejects and likewise they like creepy white guys with yellow fever. But I find this kind of thinking is overly passive and stink of loser mentality.

        I personally don’t have a problem with getting a girl. I just don’t like the unfair advantage some of the white guys have and the disadvantage the asian guys have in comparison.

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  20. meph Avatar
    meph

    @Shovel3333
    Asian guys have a disadvantage? You dont have to deal with girls avoiding you for your preference. In fact a lot of white girls hit on you all the time.
    So what problem are you having really? Too many one night stands? Aids? Really its us at a disadvantage.

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    1. shover3333 Avatar

      You are not making any sense.

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    2. shover3333 Avatar

      Ok let me clarify about the advantages/disadvantages issue. Of course asian guys have an advantage over white guys when it comes to asian girls. Huge advantage. From anecdotal evidences, most attractive asian girls are with asian guys.

      But let me put this analogy to you. Imagine for a moment, all you see are white girls with asian guys. Your friends on facebook, on the streets, etc. You hardly see any asian girls with white guys and you personally don’t know any. You constantly hear how white girls lament how white guys are too nerdy, effeminate, boring compared to asian guys and when you do complain about it, you are seen as bitter and having a small weiner. To top it off, you are constantly reminded by the media how screw up you are, and the asian savior would always kick the white butt and end up saving the white girl.

      Disadvantages come in many forms. Like getting a worse service on your own airlines compared to white counterparts, get low priority in lines/queues (I personally seen this in a club in Singapore), and you are nerdy and creepy and you still get a girl (would that asian girl like a similar creepy and nerdy asian guy?). Funny thing is due to cultural differences, the asian girl might not even know the guy is creepy or nerdy.

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      1. meph Avatar
        meph

        Things are not that bad for us now, but they are getting worse every day. And in fact there are many white girls who only like Asian guys. You dont even need to try to get with white girls. They fall all over you. You are making your situation out to be worst than it is.

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      2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        Your last sentence is very interesting indeed and it does make sense. I guess one of the reasons there are Asian-girl-white guys relationships is that some Asian girls have a fetish for white guys, and the girls might be blinded by such infatuation and never see it the guy is creepy/nerdy if he really is. I’ve also seen Caucasians get more polite treatment in restaurants and shops in Singapore than Singaporeans. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I suspect Asian girls-white guy pairings here get the same unfair upper-class treatment.

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      3. shover3333 Avatar

        Thanks for understanding what I’m trying to say =). Of course there’s true love btw white guy and asian girl couples, but when it comes down to preference for a guy just because he’s white and at the expense of demeaning asian guys and the girl’s asian heritage, that’s something else and is pathetic.

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  21. michaelcint Avatar
    michaelcint

    For me, I grew up in Europe, Spain, Italy, Germany, France and Spain ( and for some strange reason, cant speak another language, but can understand most) and being raised in a family of very petite women (my mother was 5’2″) I’m attracted to tiny, dark haired independent women. I’ve dated many women from different cultures, and when recently I dated a wonderful girl who was adopted from Thailand (we’ve since broke up) I was accuses of having an Asian fetish. I personally think the mindset that’s people need to begin to even form the idea that someone has a “fetish” for dating a particular race comes from some deep insecurities about the person and the culture they come from. When I see someone who is attractive to me (I had to actually pay attention to this process, which is pretty enlightening, if not humbling) I think, “short, beautiful, dark hair, do they smile?, do they make others smile, do they laugh, yes? are the interesting, can they challenge my thoughts and add to my life in a positive way?….if they do instant crush and “wow, are they beautiful!” For me race and culture is another facet of learning about another person in a relationship, not the beginning of the process.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I like how you don’t judge people based on their race, but on their personality. Sorry to hear that your relationship with the lovely girl from Thailand didn’t work out. I guess another reason why someone would accuse another of having racial “fetish” would be because they dislike aspects of that other race for one reason or another (you can call it racism). I have always wondered if two people with racial fetishes for the other ever stay together, and how do such relationships work if they do last the test of time.

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  22. betsuni Avatar
    betsuni

    What can I say? Let whores be whores.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      People are people, different people. Anyone can whoever they want to be. Some may like the way they are, some may not. We all have our differences.

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  23. Mike M Avatar
    Mike M

    It’s really odd. I sat next to a white guy / Vietnamese girl at a restaurant, as he constantly berated her and her people. Apparently, he had gone on a tour of war sites and tunnels in Vietnam, and found it to be very primitive and complained that Vietnamese guys were all stupid midgets running around in dirt holes hiding from the mighty American soldiers. Naturally, he went on to talk about his “endowment”… I find it funny how white guys push so hard to convince Asian-American girls of this stereotype as to prevent them from dating Asian guys. Anyhow, the girl just kept nodding her head and agreeing with him. As much as I wanted to punch this guy’s teeth out, I felt even sadder that the girl hated her own culture so much.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      So unfortunate that you had to sit through that conversation. It must have been hard for you to enjoy your food and drink. An interesting suggestion you have there in regards to the basis of white-guy-Asian-girl relationships. It seems that the white guy is extremely self-centered and convinced Western culture is all-mighty and unfailingly admirable. Which is a shame really; one would think he would have gained an appreciation for other cultures from his cultural visit to Vietnam. I’m sure that there are Caucasian soldiers who have been in similar positions as those Vietnam soldiers in past wars.

      On a tangent, perhaps the girl might have been embarrassed or too shy to speak up for her culture. Even if this was so, it is really sad – she would be admitting Anglo-Saxons are the superior race.

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  24. derek Avatar
    derek

    People expect us white men to feel guilty for portraying Asian men as nerds or whatever, and for a while i did but why should we now? They dont want equality. They want to own the game and bang every white girl and destroy white men in the process. Why should we apoligize to assholes like that? They complain about the media when it doesn’t really affect their success then brag about their trophy white girlfriend.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I am assuming this response is directed to someone above, and not me (perhaps it could be me). In this commercialised and profit-making world, there are definitely a lot of attention seekers around today. Some Caucasians will brag about having an Asian girlfriend/accessory on their arms and some Asian guys will flash their white girlfriend around to their friends. At the same time, there are most certainly truly-in-love mixed race couples out there, which is great for such a multicultural world. We shouldn’t pay too much attention to the first group, because what benefit will that give us? Nothing really, but jealousy. And jealously is often the root of many immoral acts and thoughts.

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      1. derek Avatar
        derek

        Oh really? It seems you pay alot of attention to the first group.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          As I have mentioned in a previous comment, I have deliberately chosen to write only about the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship side of things, and not about the white-girl-Asian-guy relationship. When I said “first group”, I mean both kinds of relationships, that we shouldn’t pay too much attention to those Caucasians who flaunt their Asian girlfriends as accessories and Asian guys who pompously show off their Caucasian girlfriends.

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    2. shover3333 Avatar

      Wow you sure sound like a hypocrite. You are angry seemingly because of the same reasons as the asian guys but resorting to name calling. The world you described is unfortunately not real and if you switch asian guy with white guy it would be more accurate. Even if you speak from personal experience, the fact is you can’t accept AM/WF relationship (even though they are extremely rare). Based on your logic the more we shouldn’t accept WM/AF. I hope you don’t bag any asian girls because you are sure creepy like hell.

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      1. derek Avatar
        derek

        By that logic you are just as creepy since you are the same way pretty much but lie and hide in a false delusion of being somehow better. I hope you never score with a white girl either

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      2. shover3333 Avatar

        First of all I never said I disapprove WM/AF relationship and second I never said I’m interested in white girls in a creepy way and neither wanted to “score” them in anyway. Unlike you, I don’t treat them like an object.

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  25. Christopher Avatar
    Christopher

    Hello Mabel,
    I’m a white guy who just adores Asian women, especially Chinese ones! I don’t pretend that race isn’t a factor, or that it doesn’t matter, as their race, culture and mannerisms that are the very things that I initially found attractive and interesting. Do I like women of my own race and culture? Of course… I would take the right one in a heartbeat if I could, but for whatever reason, it just isn’t working out that way for me. Most Asian women I meet are always so friendly and polite, and seem genuinely interested in me. By contrast, a lot of white women I meet are shallow, self-centered, uninteresting, spend much of the conversation talking about themselves or their issues and asking nothing about me or mine. They often make me feel as if they are doing me some kind of favor just by being with me. Asian women also tend to be more conservative, dressing modestly but tastefully, without tattoos or body-piercings, etc. that I find to be a turn off.

    Do I have an “Asian fetish”? I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean. A fetish to me is infatuation with an inanimate object, like a shoe or women’s panties. These are human beings we are talking about here! And if I do have an Asian fetish, then so what? It doesn’t mean I’m “creepy”. If a cute Asian girl was initially interested in me because I was white, why should I complain? Maybe some Asian girls have a “European Fetish”? Why do they necessarily have to be viewed as “self haters” or “weak” or “inferior” in some way? The only types of people who seem to have a problem with all this supposed White/Asian racial/fetish stuff are those who seem of low self-esteem, jealous or racist or Asian women who are too Westernized, sharing the same cynical, negative and feminist attitudes as their white counterparts. Ironically, these are usually the types that no real man wants to be with anyway!

    Is true love necessary? That would be wonderful, and I hope it would lead to that. But at this stage of my life I’ll settle for a very strong like! I don’t think it’s good for two people who have a healthy sex drive or strong desire to be with someone to be alone. It doesn’t always have to be so difficult and complex.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Very nice to hear that you aren’t ashamed of admitting that you adore Asian women – for their looks but also (and more importantly) morals and characteristics. True that Asian and Caucasian women have their cultural differences, and if it’s the former values and personalities that you find more appealing, there’s nothing wrong with that. In fact, I applaud you for being so honest. Attraction depends on individual preferences and people from different cultures tend to have different tastes, and like you, might find opposites attractive.

      ‘Asian fetish’. That’s one complex term isn’t it? Drawing upon dictionary definitions of the word “fetish”, I reckon this refers to an infatuation with Asian people/cultures, sometimes in a little way and sometimes in an obsessively unhealthy way. As I’ve slightly alluded in my post, I do think some Asian girls have a “white guy fetish” or as you put it “European fetish” – I do think there are some Asian girls who want to be with a white guy because of his looks, but there are also some who genuinely find Caucasians’ personalities and characteristics attractive, and this is when true love comes into play! Which is very lovely!

      I agree with you that a lot of those noisemakers who are overbearingly critical of mixed race relationships and won’t state their arguments in a reasonable manner have low self-esteem. They say that when a person is filled with anger or jealously, they make the best speech…and show their true colours. I think if they all sat down and calmly talk about their side of the story, many of us would most certainly won’t be afraid and instead be inclined to listen.

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  26. azaz117 Avatar
    azaz117

    Dear Mabel,

    I think using the rhetoric of “true love” versus “fetishes” oversimplifies the issue of these gendered and racially-inflected relations. The message of cultural tolerance too easily slips into an abstract humanism that “we should all try to get along, regardless of gender or the color of our skin.” As several posters on your blog have pointed out, there are historical factors behind these racial categories that influence our “preferences” and behavior, regardless of whether we talk about race or history in the open. “True love,” however much people idealize it, is not free from politics. While many would look at individual couples and approve of their relationship as “true love” and not a fetish, one nevertheless cannot ignore the social factors at play enabling the sentiments of “true love” to arise. If “true love” were so race-blind as people think, then how come there are so few discussions, so few *existing couples,* of other categories? Why do you not talk about East Asian women and Australian aboriginals? East Asian Australian women and East Asian men of different ethnicities and nationalities (ie: a Han Chinese Australian woman and a South Korean man)? Or for that matter, East Asian women and East Asian men? Just because it is considered “natural” by many does not mean there is no need to discuss it, nor that its dynamics are not free from power relations as well.

    It is not possible to have a discussion that is not already pre-determined to privilege particular categories of gender, race, nationality, and so on. For these reasons, it is all too easy for discussions on sexual relations between East Asians and other ethnoracial categories to slip into discussions of white men and Asian women, with the majority of discussants being white men in relationships / constant relationships with Asian women, and Asian women in relationships / constant relationships with white men. Discussion quickly gravitates into a defense of the humanity of white men and Asian women, and leaves members of other categories quickly relegated to the margins of discourse.

    To me, it seems unfair to disregard the history and voices of East Asian men (or Caucasian women, or members of other categories) in discussions of race and sexual relations, and to deliberately focus on the Asian-woman-white-man binary and its possibility of discovering “true love.” The very process of selection itself privileges particular categories, and by extension particular individuals. Although possibly unintentional, the very selection of topics re-asserts the oversimplified binary of a feminized East and a masculine West, which itself is a conceptual legacy of European colonialism. The re-legitimization of the humanity of white men and Asian women, with the selective, primary focus *on* white men and Asian women, is disturbing. It is a problem of language and terminology; how do you speak about such issues without putting white men (as concepts or as actual participants) and their Asian female partners at the center of such conversations? It would be a good idea to pay more attention to the arguments of posters such as redearthbluesky or Hsin-yi. While you may not agree with what they say, or find their experiences unfamiliar, I do think it is worth understanding where they are coming from, and how they came to their present place of anger, serenity, or so on, and why they choose to contribute to the discussion you are hosting.

    In my opinion, Asian women (and Asian men), especially those born and/or raised in Western countries, cannot properly understand Asian-ness without healthy dialogue between genders in their own racial group. The gender divide between East Asians, for anybody who wishes to understand and appreciate East Asian cultures, societies, and people, is crucial to acknowledge. It is an issue that is not separate from, but in fact a founding principle between the Asian women (ie: a feminized Asian-ness) and white men (ie: a masculinized (white) West) that is the center of your interests. Separating the voices of Asian masculinity / men is itself a reduction of Asian-ness that all too easily leaves it open to co-optation.

    Thank you for hosting, and your genuine attempts to keep the conversation civil.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      The topic of cross-cultural dating and relationships is a very dense one. I agree with you when you say historical factors (be it social, cultural, political, or economical) play a considerable role in influencing our tastes and what we look for in a partner. No two multi-racial couples are the same. Exploring the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship, really, is just one aspect to the dimension of inter-racial couples. The white-girl-Asian-guy relationship adds another dimension to this topic and I am sure individuals in this latter kind of coupling have their own reasons for getting together with one another. So do Aboriginal-Asian, Vietnamese-woman-Singaporean-man, Thai-girl-South Korean-man relationships for that matter. Apart from gender alongside race, education, travel and religion are also other factors that often play roles in getting together with someone.

      I deliberately chose to talk about the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship because I wanted to explore this facet of inter-racial dating. I feel that other kinds/categories of inter-racial relationships warrant individual attention and at some point in the future I hope to write about them as well. If I were to have brought in discussion pertaining to other types of diverse relationships into this particular post, this post would be a very, very long one and I don’t like turning my readers away… Also, yes, there is a lack of discussion on inter-racial relationships other than Asian-girl-white-guy-couplings, and to lump both types into a post, I feel that readers would focus on reading about the latter as, sadly, this is the more “popular”, “attractive” and “controversial” kind of relationship in society today.

      All commentors including you have added extremely intriguing insight into this discussion (very good points I’ve never thought of!), and I thank you all for that. It is very easy for one to get carried away chatting about such an issue. This issue in a very large sense is a racial one and certain races tend to have strong, grudging opinions about others, and this only stifles what is being talked about.

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  27. Guess Who Avatar
    Guess Who

    Leaving in a country where asian people rarely exist,i encountered the first asian female person during an erasmus program in university. I was impressed by her abilities to learn and come sooner than everybody else to a solution when we encounter a problem most of the times. I must admit that i felt for her charm but i given the fact i was just an average guy i had to accept the heart tearing fate that she would never show any interest on me :-(. Impressed from her intelligence i researched the net for correlation of race and intelligence and found that asians seem to have the greatest iq. Some of you may think that intelligence and iq not necessarily correlate. Without wanting to disagree, we all must agree that the fact Asians dominate American universities although minority in population shows a lot about their intellectual abilities. I don’t want to be offencive and imply that other races have not smart people,it just seems Asians have greatest percentage of smart people among them. Imagine now my surprise when i found that is the same group that most likely marriage interracial. More interestingly i found that the tendency of a racial group for interracial relationships correlates with the overall racial iq(the highest the iq the biggest the possibility to find people in the group within interracial relationships). The results seemed in contrast to what my logic pointed, the smartest the group the greatest the chance not to seek out of the group for partner. Then a statistic thrown light to the fact that interracial couples with one asian partner are among the most wealthy couples in the States, so it seems that Asians when stepping out of the race they are picky going after worthy individuals(with iq same or better than them). My belief is that Asians outmarry for two reasons. First if you leave in a country where you are a racial minority marry out of race will help you mix better and face you and your children less issues of racism(brilliant strategy even if it’s followed unconsiously). Secondly being smart they learn to judge a person not by group but individually. In simpler words if anAsian meet a brilliant person will value this person by its potentials and not by its racial group. Another reason for Asian women is that white men are more used with the idea of independent women(of course in the future that will be the same for all racial groups). Closing i want to ask something irrelevant. Wanting to learn more about asian culture i often see asian movies in youtube. What i find annoying is that some movies usually from japan that in the plot women are kidnapped, chained and raped and finally develop attraction for their keeper. In one the girls killed each other for his love. I find these movies desturbing and perpetuate the submissive asian female stereotype which i believe is not true. What is your opinion and to what audience these movies targeting? P.S. I want to thank asian women for being uniquely beautiful and epitome of cuteness even if i know i will be never able to have one by my side(tears dropping to my keyboard)

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Great to hear that you had the opportunity to mix with people of different races during your university days. From such experiences, we often learn why the way people act the way they do and of course, learn about different perspectives. I’m a firm believer that if one can work up the courage to make small talk with anyone they fancy – even if it’s just a simple, “Hi, I’m …. How are you?” – they have at least a teensy chance to be friends with them 🙂

      It’s true that many Asians dominate academically in many parts of the world at high school and university level (and so have higher IQs). A few years ago, I read in the Australian newspapers that all the top high school kids (Year 12) in Victoria were mainly Asian. I do think there are Asians out there (those who don’t have the opportunity to get a decent education) who marry out of their own race (usually to whites) for the sole sake of attaining a better, acceptable socio-economic status. This really bizarres me but I reckon they are desperate to create a better life for themselves and their children. I agree when you say that there are Asians who are open-minded enough to accept differences and judge people (e.g. their non-Asian partners) based on their personalities (and all the political, social and cultural factors leading to these traits) and not the colour of their skin. Personally, I think these are the more educated ones, those who have gone to university and have had the opportunity to mingle with people from diverse backgrounds, or the chance to travel.

      In parts of Asia, the stereotypical movies you describe that show Asian women being submissive are extremely popular with women who stay home a lot of the time. Some groups of people here – I dare say a lot – still believe in arranged marriages; it is the belief that the male is the ultimate head and breadwinner of the house. It is absolutely okay for women to give up their jobs and assume a full-time homemaker role taking care of kids. Also, getting the “best man” or the man they fancy is greatly admired – marrying someone who is strong and determined is lusted after. Even though he may be a cheater or a liar, the women are inclined to be doting and see the miniscule favourable traits the man shows. Perhaps this has something to do with long-held Asian traditions that emphasises, “family takes precedence over everything else” and “the male is always right because he works so hard and be so productive”. Thank you for reading and commenting!

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      1. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Thank you for your kindness to read my post and reply :-). In my comment i didn’t mean about women be submissive to their husbands. I mean movies( no porn) i found in you tube about women kidnapped,kept prisoners ,rapped by a male and finally develop emotions for him!!! You can find these movies in you tube if you type asian cinema(i love asian movies thats why i search,you have a very unique technic in film direction that i found of my taste). So my question was is there sadomazochist trend in asian culture that the rest of the world ignore? ( that’s why i questioned for what audience they referring? Spoiler you must have strong stomach to watch them. interracial marriage as an unconscious strategy to fit in a sosciety predominated by different race is something followed by every race. You can find white or black womn you tubers leaving in china or japan that they are in interracial relationships,so its a strategy followed by every race( exception from african american women but i think that has to do with oppression and slavery 😦 ). PS :Because you are in social studys is interesting to research differences between behavior of african american women to women of african origin immigrating to states

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  28. dalo2013 Avatar

    Great post Mable (and what a reaction!). It does seem that Asian women and Caucasian men get along very well, and if there was reliable data available, I would guess that this mix would be most popular. Why, maybe it is the adventurous spirit…

    Differences attract, and that is pretty beautiful. I fall in this camp.
    However, differences also make people scared, nervous and unfortunately most jerks fall into this camp.

    My take. Mixed couples rule. The reason is simply basic biology:
    1. If two languages are spoken, the two become better educated about the world
    2. Mixing of cultures (and understanding of cultures) is a good thing
    3. If they marry and have kids, mixing of genes, greater diversity and learning environment generally should create a more educated/intellectual and I would think tolerant child.

    And eventually, I think world peace will be reached when we are all one race (thus, evolving to a point where people are intellectually superior than where we are today) and realize it would take very little to feed/educate/love/nurture the world. One big happy family. Granted, likely a few thousand years from now…but one can dream.

    OK, perhaps I am being a bit too much of an optimist…
    Cheers!

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    1. Heo Hak Avatar
      Heo Hak

      There will be no peace given that you whites love to sabatoge East Asian men and split up East Asian women and East Asian men. You have no idea how many of us East Asian American men are fed up with your white supremacist racist Hollywood western imperialist white supremacist propaganda and you white expats going to East Asia to spread STDs and flaunt your white privilege and take advantage of brainwashed Asian women.

      Then you have white guys who try to rape Asian women in public (no, he is not pakistani he is WHITE).

      youtube.com/watch?v=GnLqoqkkfMg

      We East Asian men have not forgotten your arrogance as well as invasion of our homelands, spitting on our culture, disrespecting Asian men, and taking advantage of brainwashed East Asian women only adds more fuel to the fire.

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      1. dalo2013 Avatar

        To quote from my above post: “differences also make people scared, nervous and unfortunately most jerks fall into this camp.” You are a perfect example; a bit too insecure…

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      2. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        I don’t know what white people did to your country to stimulate that hate but i sincearly apologize :-(. Looking at history white race gave positive impacts to human race as well as negative. Point is that as human we are imperfect and so bad and good coexist. What is important is to recognise your mistake,try to change them and move forward. Let me remind that there were white rebelling against slavery in american civil war,there were white people marching against war in Nam. Remember lately it was a chinese woman that threw her baby in toilet and flashed. Remember that were japanese the ally of Hilter in WW2(and i didn’t understant how a wise nation was ally of a monster who genocized people putting them in ovens). In my point of view there are 2 paths about how walk your way in life. The first is by dividing people, building barries due to their color or ethnicity. The second is by accepting diversity and try to live peacefully helping each other. I choose the second path hoping you are not remaining still in the first. This idea of women as a property is so last century and feminism should enlighten your view. Women are not objects, are independent human beings with their own will and should be treated this way. If i misunderstood your point of view on the topic i sincearly apologize.

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      1. shover3333 Avatar

        Notice how some of the white guys always sound so sweet and politically correct? It’s easy to make such statements since they are getting the benefits and at the same time secretly stabbing behind the back. Not saying all of them are lying but seriously don’t be so naive. Take it with a pinch of salt.

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      2. Heo Hak Avatar
        Heo Hak

        Agree.

        Hypocritical whites always slut shame their own women then turn around and say that Asian women are racist if they don’t date white guys and that Asian guys being protective is wrong, yet they use media to make sure white women dislike non-white men. ANd they feel insecure about black men, which is why they felt the need to portray/make East Asian men “below them”

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      3. Heo Hak Avatar
        Heo Hak

        White guys are ok with interracial AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THEM.

        If it is a good looking East Asian guy with a good looking white girl, they are always extremely jealous. Their entire media shows this. America and the west is vehementaly anti-Asian and especially anti-East Asian male.

        When was the last time you ever saw an East Asian guy have sexual relations with a white girl on the silver screen? WHen was the last time this East Asian guy was the male protagonist hero of the story? Never. This has never happened.

        Yet they have numerous movies starring white guys with an Asian girl, and the Asian girl is always hypersexualized.

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      4. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        You say that white men are supportive to interracial relationships if they include them. Visit you tube channels to see the backlash mixed white man asian/black woman take from white supermacists talking about white genocide. You say white guys are against asian guys wanting to protect asian woman. I never wanted to protect a white girl(given she is not attacked). Why? Because she is an invidual person with her own beliefs and tastes and my “protection” wouldn’t be anything more than imposing my beliefs on her. Then you mention hollywood. Also you pointed the hypersexualization of asian women. I think the industry trying to sell oversexualizes all women irrelevant of race,aiming to lower insticts which i find disgusting. You said that there is an overwhelming ammount of movies with white man asian woman. I haven’t noticed but i think the majority of couples is white white(due to demographics of customers as i have already explained). Please don’t forget that also couples of asian man black woman(romeo must die) and also black men white woman(jungle fever) were also made when targeted audience was different. If you want to see Asians actors in meaningful roles you should not limit yourself in Hollywood. There is always my beloved Oldboy,Vengeance for the lady,Internal Affairsetc Don’t forget that there is always you tube with channels like Wung Fu Productions, Just Kidding Films, Off the great wall,David So Comedy(just wach the last resort 🙂 ) with millions of subscribers accurately representing the creativity and great sense of humor of Asian people. In the modern era open minded people should not restrain themselves in what Hollywood produce. Personally i refuse to see you as “enemy”. I understant your bitter opinion came from experiences i haven’t lived but please don’t generalize. Coming from a small country i experienced the racism of residents of the wealthiests ones and for a quite a bit i felt angry. Luckily in the end i found people in these regions accepting me for who i am and not for what my country supposed to be and that’s the message i want to pass. Closing i want to apologize if i offended you in any way

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      5. Heo Hak Avatar
        Heo Hak

        Guess who. You are an utter idiot.

        No conspiracy? black man with white woman? Black man with white woman is EXTREMELY RARE on screen.

        Asian men paired with ASIAN WOMEN is non-existent.

        You know that Wong Fu and all those guys cannot say what they really think? Everything they put out there is EXTREMELY tempered and PC because they know the media is still controlled by whites and white offshoot of ashkenazi jews.

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      6. Heo Hak Avatar
        Heo Hak

        To say that Hollywood does not socially engineer society or influence how people think or influence peoples’ taste in men or women, is the stupidest thing anyone could think. You are an idiot if you think Hollywood does not influence society and global society or if you think it has not been used as propaganda warfare.

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      7. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        I accept i am completely idiot because my IQ is merely 90 far below the average 105 average of an Asian guy :-). You mentioned the imperialistic wars of white people. Above in this post i read a conflict between Japanese and Chinese about who is better (or worst depending your point of view) and by mistake i thought it had imperialistic basis. Now that you made it clear i assume that never an asian country invaded another because after all imperialism is a white construction. As i clearly see imperialism is a synonym of white race and not an indicator of human nature imperfection. You said the union of black man white women in movies that is rare like in Jungle Fever,Black and White,Training Day, is not due demographics. In that case movies with white man black would be dominating to ensure white privillege or they will be rare too if it was a clear demographic issue( or market issue as i thought). Also i want to thank you for letting me know the secret agenda of Wong Fu. Cause their cast had people of different races(and asian man white woman couple) i thought they were in a more peaceful mood. Let me tell you that this revelation would not stop me to appreciate their unique talent.

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      8. Heo Hak Avatar
        Heo Hak

        You need to work on your English. You are speaking to an American born and American raised East Asian male of Ainu-Jomon-Japanese, NE Chinese, Manchu, Aboriginal Taiwanese, and Tatar/Siberian Russian ancestry.

        I am well aware of Japanese Imperialism, but Japanese Imperialism was a RESULT of WESTERN IMPERIALISM. Japan felt it HAD TO ADOPT WESTERN IMPERIALIST WAYS TO SURVIVE.

        ANd to an extent they were correct. Westernizing the military and RE-ADOPTING firearms (16th century Japan had FAR MORE ADVANCED FIREARMS THAN EUROPE, but the Samurai class banned them), allowed Japan to beat back the Russians who tried to attack Japan.

        Japan then viewed itself as “WHITE” and called itself the “whites of Asia” and attacked China.

        But the root of the problem is whites and western imperialism. Japanese were just stupid idiots back then to attack their Asian brothers. Too bad they didn’t listen to Sun Yat Sen aka Sun Zhong San. If they had, they would ahve united East Asia to destroy the western impeerialists.

        BACK THEN WE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU AND NOW WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

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      9. shover3333 Avatar

        Heo Hak you need to chill a little. Even though you are stating the truth, you will be seen as the bitter Asian man. But I appreciate you for keeping it real. But I’m going to approach this in a different angle lest everyone think we asian men are losers.

        Contrary to what most readers might think, I kinda agreed with dalo2013 except the part where he said white men and asian women are a good mix. Hidden in his sweet message is his attempt to masquerade his intention for status quo. This is how I think. Yes I do think we should mix around and it’s old thinking that we should only stick to our own races. But what dalo2013 is advocating is white men supremacy. Even now we are seeing this. DNA any american of mixed ancestry and the Y chromosome link will almost always link to a white man. No matter how black or native you are. How about that for diversity? In order to fulfill dalo2013 dream of a united race, shouldn’t he advocate equality for all? Rather than white men dominating other races, how about we increase the chances for other races? This is what I’m advocating but even then, I will be seen as the “jerk” camp.

        Lastly, hell with the notion that asian men only date asian women. How come no one is complaining about white women only dating white men?

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      10. Dalo 2013 Avatar

        Shover3333, perhaps my comment was not clear. Mixing of all races: whether Black-Asia-White-Red- etc… is good. An Asian/Caucasian/Black/Indian/Persian/ man in a mixed relationship is fantastic. Again from above: “Differences attract, and that is pretty beautiful. I fall in this camp.”

        I do not worry about the color of skin of anyone dating my sister or anyone of my race, why should I? Mix races, biologically, is an asset for a child. That is it. This is a pretty stunning set of replies on this blog, and I hope everyone steps back and see us all for what we are: human. Too many great people of every race out there, and they all make a good pair ~ this post specifically discussed only one sub-group. My response would be the same for all.

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      11. shover3333 Avatar

        Whether mixing traits is good is debatable. Haven’t really seen or know any examples. What I’m saying is it doesn’t matter whether you are asian, white, others, or mixed. You are not any better or worse than any others. But if some brainwashed asian women worships you because you are white, then there is something with her and it’s shameful especially given the history of exploitation.

        Having a mixed kid also brings a lot of other problems, for example identity crisis. What could be a worse cliche than to see a mixed hapa kid and hearing yet again the dad is white (not again!!!). Check out the hapa that hates his parent to understand this side of the story.

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      12. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Dear shover3333, if an asian woman choose a white guy because of his color only i don’t think she deserves your attention at the first time and the white guy who is with such superficial woman is not more than a loser himself. Its just hard to believe that the majority of females of the smartest race as current evidence show behave this way, i think only a small percentage acts this way(i want to believe that smart people don’t act silly). Leaving in Europe i must say that we highly appreciate asian people because they are innovative(personally i bit like more Chinese because they are an ancient nation with great history). Keep in mind that the great percentage of innovative electronics or cars came from Asia. Indeed the first ecology friendly car in europe came from asia too. I had a possitive feedback from a child of mixed race( nigerian father, greek mother). She was open minded and helped me understant aspects of her african culture. Sure some mixed children maybe become self hating but i think that is a matter of nurture as well as genesand after all each one has his personal responsibility for his action. Keep in mind that it was forbidden to marry out of your national group in some countries with the ostracism of members they didn’t follow the norm(to be more precise the laws were more elastic towards males,call me patriarchy). So i think most people thet object don’t do it with the child well being but because they think opposite sex as property(see reactions of black women for black men married out of race that sometimes become physically). Personally as i support homosexual marriage as a declaration of free will, i will support the right of every person indifferent of gender or race to marry freely(even if sometimes the reasoning is so superficial,but these should not bother you as possible mates in the first place). In conclusion i wanna thank you for posting your objections in polite way, something that all must have in mind 🙂 PS: i don’t imply that we don’t have racist lunatics in Europe but at the moment they are small percentage

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      13. shover3333 Avatar

        Hi Guess Who,

        The problem is no matter how I think to make myself feel better, the problems are still there. Even though Heo Hak might be extreme in the way he present his arguments, what he said is very real and mostly true (minus all the name calling). The problem here is that most people are not aware of history and western hypocrisy still permeates every facets of life as we know today. What you see on mainstream media are extremely biased and one sided. And the west loves to white washed their crimes (both old and current crimes) and instead accused other countries of the same sort of crime they are guilty of (which are mostly untrue or double standards…see wikileaks).

        In other words, people are brain-washed to think that the West holds the moral standards and other groups of people are unable to govern themselves and need the white men to save them. That’s why people like Heo Hak got so riled up. I can understand his frustration.

        And now droves of Asian women (no matter how unattractive you think they are) are dying to hook up with white men. Some are true love but a significant number of them are not. Whatever the case is, this is worrying. Every group of people prefers to stick to their own race, probably due to cultural similarities (so please don’t single out asian men). I’m not against race mixing, but asian women are far out-marrying other races and this reflects very badly on themselves and asian men. Furthermore, a lot of this ignorant girls are openly self-hating. Also, some white guys are forever perpetuating asian men stereotypes. Go look at asian videos on youtube and you are bound to see comments about asian men having small dicks. I just saw one comment about small dick on Daniel Wu’s video. Seems like that person is uncomfortable with a cool asian guy.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Briefly on your point about people led to think the West holds the best moral standards: the media has a considerable role in this. Going to the movies is a favourite past time with many Asians in Asia. In parts of Asia such as Singapore and Malaysia, 8 out of the top 10 films on the box office chart on any given week tend to be Western films/films made in the West – Caucasians saving the day in extravagant cinematic story lines. The Asian cinema industry isn’t exactly booming or funded generously in these countries so it’s no wonder Asian men – and Asian women and couples – don’t get much (fair) representation on the big screens here. And it’s no wonder people here look up to Western ideals a lot, Asian women lusting after white men. Thanks for contributing, shover3333.

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      14. shover3333 Avatar

        @Guess Who

        And one suggestion. Can you break up your comments into smaller paragraphs? It’s very hard to read one huge chunk of text.

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      15. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Dear shover3333, i am afraid that i will not agree you. Your friend didn’t speak the truth,in some cases he represented part of the truth and in others simply lied. Racial issues is like coin is double sided and if you choose to represent one side then something suspicious is in your intentions. Google war crimes, massacres and great empires and you will find yourself what i mine and maybe you find that others used germs to clear populations as well… The point is by representing one group as total evil is logical to seek revenge but when you see your own faults its easier to understand human imperfections and is easier to coexist than extinct the other.

        Reading blogs from asian women found that their biggest problem is not asian man but patriarchy and the role of asian woman in family. You may say their role is just fine but have you tried to put yourself in their own shoes? Talk to your female friendsto find their opinion, talk to them that date outside race. If they tell you they just prefer white turn your back and never talk to them but again they may tell you something usefull.

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      16. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Dear sir shover3333 if you are curious what white girls think about asian men you can check this site http://howibecametexan.com/2013/09/11/amwf-relationships-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-asian-male-white-female-couples/. You will find many posts from asian men in interracial relationships(some times we are fraid of different but in the end may be a lifechanging experience)

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      17. shover3333 Avatar

        Hi Guess who,

        Unfortunately I have to disagree with you. What Heo Hak said rings true to me in many levels, although I don’t agree with his tone and name calling. It is indeed double-sided, but in this world today, we are constantly bombarded by western hypocrisy. Take Heo Hak and switch him with the West and you can understand how we feel. We are constantly being unfairly branded as the evil one. Not saying we are much better than the west but at least we do not systematically wrongly tarnish them.

        There’s no doubt that Genghis Khan and the Japanese were brutal and merciless. But I find Heo Hak western imperalism argument convincing though. But then again there’s no excuse for such brutality. At the same time I do not condone the west white-washing their past genocides that are in many levels just as bad or worse. The slap in the face is that even now, they are occupying vast lands that weren’t theirs to begin with.

        I don’t know which blogs you are talking about but from where I’m from, we are no more patriarchical than the west. Women here holds pretty much the same power as the men or more. Even then, we have brain-washed women who just think white guys are better and probably used that as an excuse to justify their decision.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      So true – differences can make us more welcoming to some, but may scare off some others. It’s all a matter of background and one’s perception towards others races (usually because of education) to which category they fall into and in what context. You bring up very good points there and there’s nothing wrong with being an optimist! After all, we can’t live a positive life with happy relationships if we’re being negative all the time, can we? 🙂

      I have to disagree with you slightly on your closing comment. It would be great to have a world where we have evolved all into one race (how interesting that sounds!). But at the same time I think I would be sad if all individual races around us today (Greeks, Chinese, Italians etc.) all disappeared – so many cultures, traditions, festivals, languages…different cultural aspects of life that actually make life more colourful! And interestingly confusing at times! Never a dull moment trying to figure out what that tourist is saying in his own language or trying to whip up that delicious Chinese noodle dish…to no avail!

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      1. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Dear Mabel, i read your posts that give me an insight of life in other countries and more precisely in multicultural Australia. What i love of Australia or States or Cansda is the experiment of different races and cultures leaving together peacefully with respect to diversity. My dislike for culture(if you were reffering to my post) comes from the oppression of their members to act in a certain way. If anyone thinks that his culture is the only right and his ancestors possessed the only truth will never move forward. I am not saying that culture is rubbish,what i mean is take from your culture what is usefull for you and evolve it to something new. I liked how dr. Papanikolaou( inventor of PAP test) disrespcted open our mentality towards our ancestors refusing to return to Greece. He hated the fact that instead of being innovative we spented our days saying how grate they were not even challenging their ideas(call me the only truth). The result is small country world laughing at. PS: without be disrespecting i think the choice of post limiting to white guy and asian girl was wrong from the beginning and born this hatefull confrontation in comments section. I find logical that our asian male friends felt pushed aside and i understand their anger. Interracial relationships are not for a small demographic(white man asian woman) but referring to all genders and races,so anybody should be icluded. Again without be disrespecting i want you keep in mind that your posts reffer to a great variety of audience and all should feel welcomed:-)

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Ah, now that you’ve explained it in terms of appropriating the best of cultures and turn it into something new (usually in combination with other cultures), that makes more sense 🙂 We are sort of seeing this with hybridised food that are becoming ever so popular today.

          Inter-racial dating is a very dense subject. As I’ve mentioned in my comment to azaz117, I deliberately chose to talk about the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship for a number of reasons. The main reason would be to explore this type of coupling in more detail. I know there are so many different cross-cultural couples out there and they have different political, economic, cultural and social reasons for dating one another. As mentioned to azaz117, I am open to doing another post on e.g. myriad of East Asian couples, Asian-man-white-woman in the future. I could do a very general post on inter-racial dating where I talk about the general reasons why cross-cultural partners are attracted to one another, but other articles have done this already (Google will tell you this) and I don’t want to repeat what has been said.

          I take no offense at what you said and no, you’re being disrespectful one bit (thanks for being so honest!). I do want everyone to feel welcome to the discussion. But as I said, I was only addressing one part of inter-racial dating and of course everyone will have their opinions on the broader topic and see this blog as their place to share their thoughts. I appreciate what everyone has said whether I agree with them or not.

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      2. Dalo 2013 Avatar

        Hmmm, good point Mabel, I didn’t think about the culture/food part of this… We need our Italian/Chinese/French culinary delights.

        My thinking about race (and its evolution) is really based on my fascination with the universe and space/time (and how infinite change & evolution is a certainty). Our human minds are still young, and I think the human mind will evolved to greatness (morally and intellectually). Over many thousands of years in the future, the blending of races is a statistical certainty, baring any great disaster.

        However, you throw a wrench into this with the thought we lose our great ethnic foods & culture 🙂 Hopefully our intellectually superior future generations will think of a way to save it all. Cheers.

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      3. Guess Who Avatar
        Guess Who

        Lol its so obvious now that you are referring to the original post which in the path of the conversation had forgotten. Sorry to bother you with a no needed reply. Feel soooo embarrassed right now! I will go to my corner to cry silently 😦

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  29. aaron Avatar
    aaron

    You can take Said’s concept and apply it to relationships between Asians as well. Asians are as arrogant, or even more arrogant, than Westerners when it comes to how they view other people and cultures. Here in Taiwan, a lot of men import poor Vietnamese women for marriage. These men aren’t learning Vietnamese and Taiwan’s society does not view Southeast Asians as equals. I saw a similar situation in Japan where women from Mainland China are brought over for marriage. If anything, a white man is more likely to try and learn about an Asian woman’s culture than is an Asian man who marries a woman from another part of Asia.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Yes, come to think of it, Said’s theories on Orientalism and Occidentalism does apply to this context a fair bit. It’s sad to see that the Asian-bride market is still ongoing in Asia today and it is a factor in explaining why some Asian women are gravitating towards Caucasian men. At the same time, I’m sure there is a proportion of Asian men who are interested in learning about other cultures. Just that they don’t speak up much and simply go on about their lives. Thanks for stopping by!

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  30. yeahx3 Avatar
    yeahx3

    Interracial love is not any more complex than an same racial love. For a White male and Asian female love, Is it “more” complex because of the cultural differences? I can guarantee you that the Man you are with does not give a single dime of interest about Asian Culture, he is interested in Asian Doll-Face/Body first and the culture is a mechanism to gauge the girl’s interest.
    Asian women have a perception that white men would be more masculine and inherently in higher social class which fits her ideal mate. Culture interest comes into play in a female’s selection of men, but more importantly, it is her perceived “High Class” culture that piques her interest not necessarily the vast raw culture of a nation (IE: Africa is rich in history and culture/land). Therefore, it is mostly an exchange of seeking Beauty for men and seeking Handsome+High Class for women. Seeking “Culture” and Language difference is all crap.

    I also want to add that beauty is age sensitive for women. It is generally true that asian women look more younger than their age as compared to other nationalities. And beauty is the “value” of women therefore, Asian women arguably have the highest value. It is no surprise that Asian women are the most sought after so to speak, by Men.

    In conclusion, this is by all means not biased but a subjective view in disagreement of the Post in that an interracial love between an Asian woman and a White man is somehow any more complex or remarkable than any other type of love as the writing makes it out to be. The value exchange between a man and a woman is an interesting dynamic and ultimately explains why the Asian Woman and White Man got together.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      An inter-racial pairing is indeed an interesting dynamic. Usually no two kinds of pairing and interactions can be explained or justified by the same reasons. We do seem to agree and disagree on some points. In parts of Asia, some Asian women do perceive white men higher up on the social/economic ladder and it is in their interest to find a partner that exemplifies such a value (in their eyes). There are indeed some ignorant men – Asian and Caucasian alike – around who have no interest in other cultures and reckon their culture is superior for a number of reasons, but really education and lack of interaction with other cultures is usually to blame. And if such a man gets in a relationship with a woman of a different ethnicity than him, most likely he would see her as nothing more than an object of affection.

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  31. Mabel Kwong Avatar

    Hi all,

    As mentioned in some of my replies above, of course there are other kinds cross-cultural relationships e.g. white-girl-Asian-guy, Indigenous-girl-white-guy, Asian-girl-Asian-guy…you get the picture. However, I wrote this post with the intention of exploring in-depth one aspect of inter-racial dating: the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship. I am not making any generalisations about inter-racial dating as a whole. As a number of you have brought up, historical factors can play a part in influencing how some of us perceive the other race and our tastes in (culturally different) partners.

    My blog is not a political or historical blog. But that does not mean we should be ignorant of past events – they can very well influence our communities and relationships with others today. I am happy to accommodate brief political and historical points in the comments section so long as they link back to the topic of the post.

    Not too sure if anyone else is aware of this, but sometimes if a commenter leaves a comment with many links, WordPress automatically puts it in the Spam bin.

    The subject of cross-cultural dating is an extremely sensitive and emotional one as we all have our own strong opinions towards different cultures (perhaps based on what we know from history or perhaps based on our relations with people from different cultures in this present day. Or a combination of both). There is no need to resort to name calling, finger-pointing and using obscenities to get the point across (what’s the point of doing this?). I am more than happy to accommodate view points different from mine (as you can see, there are comments that state points that are different from my opinions/what I have said in my post). Ultimately, one of the goals of this blog is to generate civil and inclusive discussion on topics pertaining to multiculturalism. Comments that considerably veer off the topic at hand, accusatory, threatening, demeaning, violent or contain obscenities/flowery language will be moderated or deleted when I have time on my hands.

    Talking about this sensitive issue, at the very least we can state our opinion on the issue, learn from the discussion (and one another) and move on to being better persons ourselves. Thank you all for contributing to the discussion.

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      Guess Who

      Dear Mabel,personally i apologize for violating the friendly and peaceful blog that you host. I think i disrespected you trying to prove my point and i am inexcusable. Thank you for deleting my posts that some people might find offensive. Next time if i see name calling i back off first. Again my sincere apologizes

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      1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

        Hi Guess Who. Actually, in no way am I offended or disrespected by what you have said. This blog is neither a political nor historical blog. But that doesn’t mean we should completely ignore these two factors – after all, they do have their probable place in influencing inter-racial relationships today. A lot of what you’ve posted here (which I will admit have removed) are very in-depth accounts of significant moments in history that doesn’t exactly correlate to the main point of the topic I’ve put up in the first place. A one or two line summary of the relevant moments in history and how they link to the topic of the Asian-girl-white-guy relationship would be much easier to digest (and not turn readers away).

        Thank you for being a part of the discussion. I respect your view points and thanks for sharing 🙂

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  32. The Slugger (@tradingslugger) Avatar

    I read the above comments, and here’s my thoughts.

    I’m actually a Chinese guy, and although I’ve been in Canada since I was 2 years old, I recognize that I am and always will be Chinese (and damn proud of it).

    I actually have a girlfriend who’se white (of German descent), and quite honestly, I didn’t think this would happen. When I was a teen I thought the ideal girl/women for me would be Chinese – there’s just something about them. They’re cute, I love their hair, they’re insanely smart.

    But my mom always knew that I would end up with a white girl. You see (not trying to be arrogant or something), I’m extremely good looking (at least in the Chinese sense – big round eyes, beautiful eyelashes and eyebrows, very noticeable dimples). That’s not something I’m proud of – it has nothing to do with personal accomplishments – rather, it’s just due to the awesome physical genes from my mom and dad.

    My problem is that the typical Chinese girl (at least here in Canada) and I don’t match well – we have a huge personality difference. I’m also pretty smart (started my own businesses and made hundreds of dollars per month when I was 14) and insanely atheltic. The smart part is ok – Chinese girls tend to be smart, so we’re on par over there. It’s the sports part. Whenever my girlfriend and I do something, it’s always sports related (snowboarding, soccer, archery, etc). I’m a huge sports junkie. Chinese girls tend to be more quiet and less athletic (maybe that’s why they’re so cute!). So Chinese girls and I don’t typically have a common footing. I’m also pretty outgoing – I hate partying, but if there’s a social event, you’ll always find me at the center of the crowd (a skill I’m thankful that my mom taught me). In addition, I’m a really aggressive person (if someone wrongs me, I’ll certainly let them know it in a realy loud way). Chinese girls tend to be quieter.

    So you see, I’m actually kind of sad. I’ve always wanted a Chinese girlfriend,but the only girls that I’m really compatible with are white girls (who are tolerant of the CHinese culture, obviously). It’s not that I find white girls to be any more attractive than Chinese girls, although my girlfriend is insanely beautiful (and smart, and athletic, and kind 🙂 ). Chinese girls tend to be cuter (awesome hair!), whereas white girls (especially Germans, I hear) tend to be hotter.

    I don’t like those typical white girls at parties – my girlfriend ain’t like that. We’re just compatible, you know what I’m saying? Brains, IQ, sports. Not to mention that she’s gorgeous – but beauty isn’t that big of a role in my relationships. In the highschool that I went to, there were so many “hot chics” that I kind of become desensitized to “hotness”.

    I think the big issue here is that there is a huge disparity between the Asianmale-whitefemale and Asianfemale-whitemale ratio. I think there are a couple of things at play here:

    1) for some reason, Asian men are considered less attractive than white men. I guess for me this has never been an issue, so I can’t really comment on this. At least my mom doesn’t think so, and she dated quite a few white guys back in the day.
    2) Asians are generally scared of white people (that’s largely due to European colonization and exploitation – a side effect that carries on to this day). Because men generally initiate relationships, if you’re scared of asking a white girl out, chances are there’s going to be fewer asianmale-whitefemale relationships.
    3) I don’t think the “small endowment” is that big of a deal. Although I’m tall, relatively speaking I have a smaller package. But it’s never been a problem. If endowment was all that counted, literally every single female would go after black guys (or so I’ve heard).
    4) but I think the biggest issue here is that a lot of asian girls purposely seek white men out not even b/c they’re better looking but just because they’re “white”. honestly, shame on these people.

    Now there were some arguments between this Austrialian guy above and this Chinese guy. Being raised in Canada but also being Chinese, I can tell you both sides of the story.

    Yes, the pollution in China is pretty damn awful, and yes, the Uighurs are pretty pissed at us. Regarding the pollution, CHina’s government is working pretty hard to solve this problem. And this isn’t unique either. If that Australian guy had been in the U.S. during the 1960s, he would have seen the same hting (the year Lake Erie caught fire b/c of chemicals in the water). As for the water and food contamination, yes, that’s all being dealt with. Corruption is also being cracked down upon thanks to the new CHinese President Xi Jin Ping.

    In case you didn’t know, the Americas and Australia used to actually have people. They were called Natives. around 100 million of them existed when the first europeans came into contact. And what happened? Slaughtered off, mass rape, biological warfare (an American general once gave the Native army “blankets” as gifts, and the blankets were actually infected with small pox).

    The Brits weren’t exactly very clean either. Thye literally forced China to consume more opium (Opium Wars) after the Qing government tried to stop the opium trade.

    So I agree with that Chinese guy above – b4 y’all white guys stake out the morale high ground, take a good hard look at your own history. Do you have any idea how many people y’all white guys eff’ed over?

    And I absolutel hate it how white people say “we’re sorry for what we did in the past. but now, we’re the good guys – bringing freedom to y’all ignorate foreigners”. If you guys honestly felt that what you did was wrong, feel free to give back the Americas and Australia to the natives. Feel free – no one’s stopping you.

    Not going to do that, are you? Next time you speak, put your money where your mouth is.

    Now obviously, not all white poeple are like this – just some extremely ignorant people. My girlfriend doesn’t – she honestly feels horrified about what her ancestors did back in the day.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, The Slugger! From the sounds of it, you’re very confident about yourself and in your abilities – not letting race get in the way of being who you are – and you sound like a very level headed person. Sorry to hear that you don’t attract someone of the opposite sex who is Asian, but very happy to hear that you are in a great relationship with your German-descent girlfriend. And looking beyond race to find a partner 🙂 I do think your descriptions of Chinese and white girls are stereotypical but in reality, a lot of them are like that.

      On your points in regards to the Asian-girl-white-guy and white-girl-Asian-guy relationships: all very insightful and meaningful points, and amusing too. White males tend to have a bigger, more muscular physique than Asian males, and some Asian women who fit the stereotype like the former kind of body. I also agree that some Asians are afraid of white people. As you mentioned, it could be due to Western colonisation ideal fragments/traits floating around today. Caucasians like to look at people straight in the eye at a stretch of time, a trait to them means respect but to Asians this is frightening.

      Not many people like admitting that they are wrong. I guess it’s an uncomfortable feeling. I do agree we should all take a hard look at ourselves and look back in history and admit that at times our cultures may have been demeaning and violent towards others. Unfortunately some of us refuse to get off our high horse because of pure arrogance. Conversely, because what happened in history was eons ago, some of us might feel detached from these events. We can’t really blame them – it’s due to a lack of education.

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  33. WarwickG Avatar
    WarwickG

    I find this topic interesting. Mid-20s white guy here and I have really only dated Asian girls for the last 5 or so years. What I have found is that we’re less divided by culture but more by wealth or social status (a topic which is uncomfortable for many to discuss or even acknowledge.) In terms of outlook, opinions, food preferences, likes, dislikes etc there was very little gap to bridge between myself and her. Compare her (Chinese Indonesian) to one of her fellow countrymen living in a kampung on the outskirts of Jakarta and the differences would be vast. Compare me to the the blue-collar guy out in the suburbs, it would be too.

    Some landwhale feminist recently asked me to “observe my biases” and was trying to pull some sort of yellow fever shaming when I said I have a preference for Asian girls. Don’t really care. I do find Asian women more physically and sexually attractive than your average white girl and have no shame in saying that. Some guys (usually older) do look to exploit the situation to their advantage and use desperation, poverty and financial motivation to hold the upper hand in the relationship; this is wrong. In my case, we both brought an even amount to the table (actually TBH I brought a fair bit less) and things were relatively even and this provides a much more solid foundation to the relationship. The concept of marrying up or down is lost on most Australians.

    And to the bitter and angry guys quarreling above: chill out. Not much in history or life is fair and never will be. People generally suck, so better to just worry about making tonnes and tonnes of money and retire to some island to get drunk, swim and have sex all day.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Personal wealth and social hierarchies are indeed uncomfortable topics to discuss – you don’t hear people shouting out in public how much they earned that month. Sounds like you and your Chinese Indonesian girl are in a level headed, comfortable relationship. I guess sometimes if two people of different race have the same interests or outlook, they have a good chance of getting along and are more willing to communicate openly with one another. As long as they share a main common goal in their relationship, there is no reason why true love can’t exist between them.

      And yes, we don’t always get the best things in life. Sometimes some of us are just so focused on others and make silly assumptions. Maybe it all boils down to jealousy and/or ignorance and perhaps that’s why you were told to “observe my biases”. As selfish as this sounds, we need to focus on ourselves or reflect about our mannerism quite a bit in order to better and make a living for ourselves, and to get along with someone of a different race.

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  34. BlackJacketRheRevolutionary Avatar

    As a 22-year old Asian male, I don’t really give a damn the high number of interracial relationship with Asian women. However, I am concern about the hyper sexualization of Asian Females, I kinda view them as little sisters. In general, young women are a little too liberal, the biggest fear of an older brother is to have a sister beaten, impregnated with a deadbeat father, raped, or even dead. I actually know a racist who calls me almost every Asian insults chink, gook,(I’m Vietnamese btw) and whatnot to my face at work, he happens to have a lovely Chinese girlfriend who is “in love” with him, I once confronted her about this with audio proof, she said i probably deserved it with other rude statements. Also I hear dehumanizing comments about Asian women all the time behind closed door.

    Also i feel alright about the status of Asian Males on most days, so what if the males are lacking in the dating department, more free time, more time to advance in careers. Young Asian Males make more money than White Males these days, give it a few more years guys, the depiction of Asian Males will change. Asian guys, please don’t even change we are nice, polite, educated, family oriented, and are the lowest crime committing race. Give it a decade the situation might be reverse

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Like you, I’m not a big fan of the over-sexualisation of Asian females everywhere today – movies, tv, advertisements etc. Whenever I see a scantily clad or sultry Asian woman on tv, I wonder what young Asian girls and teens would think if they saw what I am seeing. Some Asian girls can feel suffocated from their usually strict traditional Asian upbringings and when they see a “sexy” Asian woman, chances are they’ll be attracted to her looks and character.

      Personally, I don’t think all single Asian men or people in general have more free time on their hands. I’ve come across a number of single male and female friends (Asian and non-Asian) who spend a lot of their free time going out and socialising with the sole intention of finding a partner to get married to. Sometimes I think this is a waste of time. I like to think there are a lot of single Asian guys out there who are nice, polite, educated and determined to work hard 🙂 I am one of those who believe that you can’t go looking for true love – it will come to you.

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      1. BlackJacketTheRevolutionary Avatar

        No, trust me, at least in america Asian Males spend majority of time in front of their computer usually playing games,Google it. I’m also a computer repair technician, most porn views are Asian women, at least all my client seems to.

        I also believe everyone have that one true love, a soul mate, unfortunately I am also aware of premature deaths :\

        Captain Negativity *Flies away*

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Unfortunate to hear that many Asian American males spend their time in isolation gaming. There’s only so much one can get out of gaming. But then again, most of my free time is spent gaming… :/ In general Asian women don’t play games that much, so maybe they see Asian-males-computer-gaming as a turn off and so are more attracted to Caucasians.

          As I’ve said and like you, I do believe in true love and soul mates. But I also believe that some people are destined to be single for life. I may sound optimistic, but a big part of me will be an eternal pessimist *high five*

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    2. WarwickG Avatar
      WarwickG

      Hmmm interesting comment. The Asian guys I grew up with with are cool man. They lift weights, race sports cars, work hard, dress well, get the girls, are great family men and are all round decent people. I really think you are thinking about this in the wrong way. Focus on your work and making money to the detriment of being social only if you want to (I do), not as a way of seeking revenge or evening out the score. It comes across as passive aggressive, you will be miserable and you cant win at that game.

      On the topic of being the “older brother”, are you aware of the term white knighting (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20knight)? The whole making an audio copy of what some guy said in a private conversation and then playing it to his girlfriend in an attempt to take the moral high ground is pathetic. I’ve seen it before, and time after time, the girl’s respect for the guy who tries to pull this stunt craters (even if he is “right”).

      Focus on being who you want to be NOW, not trying to settle some imaginary score.

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      1. BlackJacketTheRevolutionary Avatar

        You make valid points, on how to live life.

        On the topic of being an “older brother “, it is one thing to do it to take a moral high ground to win over a girl which is pathetic. But what I did is another thing, I did it because I’m a long term guy, I don’t do things for instant-gratification, the longer a bad influence stays with a subjective person, the worst off that person will be. Come on, you hear about deadbeat dads all the time, the male uses the female as a cumdump, then if she is pregnant….poof. this is prevalent within the other races, but with the increasingly hyper sexual image of Asian Women, this could be a trend. Beside the voice memo app is only four buttons away, What does that make me if I just let it slide? Just another guy? No wonder people say there is increasing moral decay in the world, let alone America.

        Its funny how you mention “White Knights” since this is a Asian-Cacuasian relations. I don’t mean anything bad by it

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  35. BlackJacketTheRevolutionary Avatar

    Ha Ha, its mostly the individual’s fault for not participating in more social activities. But If the media portrayed Asian Male better like in Anime, K-Pop, J-Pop, and Asian Mediums. Then we might get more winks from cute girls during school time, which would lead to dates, which in turn improve the social lives. Generally what i notice white women who dates Asian men, tends to watch anime prior to the relationship.

    “But I also believe that some people are destined to be single for life.” – Man that’s dark, get away from me, I don’t need your negativity. 🙂

    Everyone, read my blog, here my insight, leave a comment people, sorry for advertising my blog here but I’m an opportunist: http://theasianamericanoutsider.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/my-extensive-view-on-the-portrayal-of-asian-american-males-in-the-media/

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  36. Ann Avatar
    Ann

    You’re kidding right? One can research and analyze this subject to death. Can we just keep it simple and common sense please? White men want Asian women because they believe the Asian woman’s “anatomy” is “tighter”. They also believe the woman will be submissive and will therefore “obey” the man and honor all requested sex acts. Because of these misconceptions a white, middle-aged woman such as myself, doesn’t stand a chance in the search for a middle-aged white male.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I do wish this world was a simple one where pure true love existed between people. But that is not the case. Even if it was, wouldn’t life be too predictable and a tad boring? There are different kinds of people out there and one’s mentality of the other race tends to be influenced by the place where they grew up and their education. Sure, there may be white men out there who lust after and get together with Asian girls all for sexual reasons, but I’m not sure if they are meaningful, long-lasting relationships at the end of the day.

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  37. BlackJacketTheRevolutionary Avatar

    This is the internet we have all the time in the world to analyze, research, and debate.

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  38. Domenico Longo Avatar

    I’m an Italian American guy and I have an Italian (Sicilian) uncle and a Malaysian aunt. When they got married and in the years that followed, I never got the impression he was only with her because he had some fetish, and I still don’t think he does. But I know some people who say they have been around white males who say arrogant things like “all asian and black women want them” and things like that.

    So while there definitely are lots of white men and asian women who date for the wrong reasons, I’m know there are plenty who do for the right reasons.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing a bit about your family! To be in a relationship with a person of a different race from you for decades, it makes sense to have something more than a fetish to make it last. Why else would you want to stick with someone for so long? 🙂

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  39. Erwin O. Avatar
    Erwin O.

    Good evening!

    I am a Mexican young man involved romantically with a girl from Japan.

    Although I am Latino, 70% of my blood is white of the Southern European type (dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin). Right now, my girlfriend and me have been together for one month and a half, and it seems that things are going well for both of us since we have been talking since July.

    In my relationship, we teach each other Spanish and Japanese, keep communication open as much as possible, and if a quarrel happens, we always talk about it with respect. Sure, there are cultural differences between Mexican and Japanese culture, but I love my girlfriend a lot, and I am willing to compromise as in all romantic relationships, compromise, communication and respect are very important. I deeply care about her, and I know she loves me and cares about me a lot.

    I have a question. Do you know of other Latino man/Asian women couples in the US? I know they do happen in Mexico as we have a sizable community of Japanese, Chinese and Korean immigrants and their descendants, and some have married Mexican men and Mexican women.

    Cheers! Saludos! Sayonara!

    Viva Mexico y Japon!! ❤

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Hellow Erwin! Any relationship – be it a romantic or friendship one – needs time, effort and patience. Very nice to hear that you are enjoying time with your girlfriend and are willing to make comprises. I wish the both of you all the best.

      I’m not too sure if I can answer your question – I live in Australia and have never been to the US, so I don’t know many people in the States 🙂 In all honesty, I’ve never met a Mexican person here in Melbourne. Maybe it’s time I wander around Melbourne a little bit more!

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    2. J Avatar
      J

      “Although I am Latino, 70% of my blood is white of the Southern European type (dark hair, dark eyes and olive skin).”

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  40. Oliver Avatar
    Oliver

    My personal preference is white woman and I’m a 23 year old white guy. I have nothing against interracial relationships if they are genuine, some though it must be admitted are not. I would like to say I speak for most white males. However if I recall correctly there was a recent story of a white guy who advertised only for a white female to date, yet he was branded a racist by the media. That is the sort of political correctness gone mad typical for the West these days.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Oliver. I do notice a lot of us tend to gravitate towards choosing to be in relationship with someone of the same race mainly because of cultural similarities. It makes sense – if your partner is of the same race, you “click” or connect instantly on the same level when it comes to practicing or discussing traditions and cultural norms.

      I’ve yet to hear this story you mention. It seems like an overreaction by the media though. Some of us are simply physically and emotionally attracted to a particular race, nothing wrong with that.

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      1. Oliver Avatar
        Oliver

        The story is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/sleepless-in-austin-thin-girlfriend_n_3984384.html

        He advertised around September only for a “thin white female” online his website yet was branded a racist by the media. He even appeared on tv shows over it and has apologized. However if he was a black guy asking for a “thin black female” or an asian guy asking for a “thin asian female” it would be a non-story. There’s definately a double standard when it comes to whites.

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        1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Thanks for this, Oliver. There are definitely racist undertones in this story. I think the guy’s statements of refusing to date someone who is dark skinned (e.g. of African, Sudanese descent) would make more sense if he actually gave reasons or explained his statements further. By not explaining his reasons (e.g. cultural similarity and understanding with the same race), we are all left to think that he holds prejudices against other races.

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      2. BlackJacketTheRevolutionary Avatar

        @Oliver You’re right, but you gave poor example;

        “I will not date a Black girl. I don’t care if she looks like Halle Berry, I will not ever date a Black girl. And, I do not believe that Whites & Blacks should mix races sexually and have kids together. I think it’s ok for Whites & Hispanics. But not Blacks. I would NEVER, EVER, EVER date a woman if I found out she had EVER been sexually active with a Black man.”

        He is a racist because he said “NEVER, EVER, EVER date a woman if I found out she had EVER been sexually active with a Black man” that probably means he have some deep seated hatred toward black people.

        I do agree sometime white suffer some double standards, but trust me, there are a lot of racist white people whom you can’t differentiate from non-racist.

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    2. J Avatar
      J

      What do you expect? These Asian women who fall for the devil are mentally challenged in this department. They may have high, average or low IQ. No one is good at everything. They are seriously lacking here. Ignorance is bliss. Its just a giveaway for the white men. Its free for all for the white me. It does not get easier and better than that because of one’s skin colour — white that is. Talking about discrimination. It is hilarious though because the western culture is about discrimination, Imperialism and domination. The disturbing things that some white people say about non-whites behind their backs, is the moral of the story.

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      1. John Avatar
        John

        I find your ignorance about western culture quote disgusting. The author clearly said this is not a political post. If western culture is about discrimination, then why are the least racist countries in the world Anglo countries? USA, Canada, UK, Sweden, and Norway are the least racist countries in the world (that and some Latin countries), so if the western culture is based on discrimination, then why are western countries the least racist? I also forgot to mention, India, Korea, Vietnam, China, Philippines, and Malaysia are all are rated more racist than the western countries I listed above. The only Asian country that nearly came close to being as non-racist as the western countries above is Japan. Yet, it does have a higher rating in racism. So, yes, it was easy to debunk your claim that western culture is about racism. You also forget the fact that western countries have laws that give benefits to minorities (Affirmative Action, which is a US law). Now onto imperialism: Look up the BBC video “Darfur China’s Secret War”. Should be on youtube. That shows you the depth of Chinese imperialism. What about China’s current military aggression against Japan on the Islands that recently been discovered to have resources? That is imperialism. What about Japan’s history? Ever read about it? Imperial Japan was one of the most imperialistic countries in the late 19th century and 20th century (until it was defeated by the Allies in WW2). Modernly, the Western Countries give out the most foreign aid, while China only donated 100,000 dollars to help the catastrophe in Philippines. China has been expanding its borders for years, and has been in many disputes, particularly with Russia, India, and Japan about territorial claims. So once again, Eastern Culture shows huge examples of Imperialism. I think these examples also go with domination, particularly China’s involvement in Africa (the BBC documentary) and China’s territorial expansion/disputes. So yes, this might be a wall of text, but I did in detail debunk your ignorant statements.

        As for the race study I was referring to: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

        Educate yourself. This is also not the blog to be saying horrible things such as that.

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      2. sciophobiaranger Avatar
        sciophobiaranger

        quite disgusting* had to correct my grammar/spelling error.

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  41. Ed Avatar
    Ed

    I see the mainstream media (within the U.S) as a significant culprit for propagandizing Asian female and Caucasian male couples, and it fills me with considerable anger when I see this on TV shows, commercials, films, and billboards. The spotlight for Hispanic and Asian couples (in my observation) is quite unheard and unseen in public, yet nobody brings this kind of interracial couple at all. Everytime I bring it up, people often ponder as if they never considered this particular duo at all. Additionally, its disgusting how daily media indoctrinates individuals to mate with an Asian woman, and I’m certain that several white folks do it for the wrong reasons, especially to climb up the socioeconomic ladder; Caucasians are usually perceived as a “step-up.” Oh how it sickens me to an extent of action. If only there can be a notable Hispanic figure (like a Mexican-American U.S President with a Vietnamese wife/First Lady in the White House) that can stop this mindset. What do you think Mabel?

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It’s sad that some still think – especially Asians in Asia – that an Asian female is climbing the status ladder is she gets together with a Caucasian. Judging from the increasing portrayals of Asian-female-white-male couples in the media, one can argue that this may be the “cool” or “in” thing to do at the moment. Off the top of my head, I can’t name a prominent Asian-female-Hispanic/European/MiddleEastern-male couple. Maybe it’s because I don’t watch too much TV, or maybe it’s because as you suggest these couples don’t get featured much at all in mainstream media.

      I am certain there are such pairings out there – I’m inclined to think that these individuals are in very happy relationships; they feel no need to shout out their relationship to the world and just go about their lives. Maybe they want their relationship to be discrete. Of course it would be great to see more mixed pairings like these in the media to perpetuate a multicultural society, but if they don’t want to, we can’t force them.

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  42. Angie Yuen Avatar
    Angie Yuen

    I am living in UK and originally from HK. Just wanna to share some experience. It is just my experience and not generalization but some reference for the reader.

    White Guys in HK VS White Guys in UK
    When I was in HK, I work in a foreign company and plenty of caucasian co-workers there. As I am a co-worker they would rather ask my opinion towards HK women than make the move on me. So, I expect I saw the truth side of them. They are all so excited about the attentions they drawn from the women in Asia. It is just fun thing to get local women and barely I heard from them they are really truly in love. Indeed, asian women (I have to say not just only HK girls and there are also many asian women in HK) are also very aggressive and their actions truly make no man wanna to show respect on them. I would have to say from my point of view, it is so hard to find a white guy truly in love with you because they seems to me “Why buy a cow when you can get milk for free? ” (FYI, my co-workers were at age from 25-40). While I have all this negative feelings towards white guys (at that time, I did not really analyze the situation) that they are not going to serious to asian women, it just happened I have to move to UK.
    I start to meet friends and most of them are europeans from varied european countries. I also start to go out for date. Surprise surprise, all european guys I went out are so sweet and so nice. I have to say I got very respect from all of them. They really considered what I feel. Even they do not know things really well about Asian culture, they wanna to know more about it and try to get into my culture. That is totally surprised me and I almost get so spoiled on it. And the most of important thing is most of them are interested in developing a long term relationship rather than just causal one.

    White Guys VS Asian Guys
    So, what is the difference between dating or having relationship with white men and asian men. Asian guys pay more attentions on your age, physical look, family background and how the perception of you going to be from their family and friends perspective. As long as they find you have the best criteria, they will go for you. They pay less attention on personal characteristics, feeling, etc. On the other hand, white guys all talked about feelings. They would not just hit on you because you are pretty and they also would not feel you are not attractive just because you are few pounds extra. The most important for them is whether they are connected to you and they found the same from you. I am not saying that physical attractive is not important but it is important in the sense that all about how he find you compatible in the overall feeling. They always can find the beauty of you physically when you are psychologically attracted to them. About from dating to relationship, asian men tend to commit to a women early than white guy. Because obviously if you have all ticks on his list, he wanna to keep you and also he is willing to think about settle down with you. This may come from the fact that Asian culture toward family things. On the other hand, white guys tend to enjoy the moment dating with you longer and they wanna to see how feeling develop and how two people get along with each other before go to a serious relationship. It would also take longer time for them to think about married things even after with a long relationship.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for sharing, Angie. And great observations too on this issue of Asian-girl-white-guy relationships. So perhaps Caucasian guys do like Asian girls mainly because not of a fetish, but because of all the attention they get from the girls. Everyone likes to be judged based on their personality, and those who tend take the time to get to know the other’s skills and traits will seem more interesting and compassionate people. In a world where more Asian women are getting an education, they have more opportunity to venture out of the house and have a career. As such, family may not be on their minds for quite a while. On the other hand, many Asian men quite intent on raising a family – they are encouraged to go to university, find a decent job and a decent wife by traditional Asian parents. There is just something that gives one pride carrying on the family name, I suppose. So it does make sense why some Asian women gravitate to Caucasian men as opposed to Asian men, and why Caucasian men gravitate towards Asian women. Of course, we must remember that there are heaps of Asian girl and Asian guy couples out there, especially still in Asia. Which means that there are Asian girls and guys do see eye to eye and love each other enough to be in long-lasting relationships.

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  43. J Avatar
    J

    Some of these Asian women have serious pyschological issues. There are clear western discrimination against East Asian culture and its people, yet they willingly run to their Colonial masters like dogs. These Asian women concur with western stereotypes about how inferior Asian men and Asian culture are. Yet these Asian women somehow convince themselves that they are totally different and better. Some even go so far as changing their physical features (plastic surgery, dyed fake blond hair, pretending not to understand their East Asian language, etc.) to attempt to dusguise their East Asian ancestory. The act of joining in the discrimination against your own racial group, you are engaging in self-hatred. How can you expect other people to respect you, when you cannot respect yourself? The only people they are fooling are themselves.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It’s sad that there are a number of Asian women out there who go to great lengths to be more Western or Caucasian in many aspects. As you pointed out, plastic surgery and dyed blonde hair are some measures they take to look less Asian. It’s as if they are ashamed of their own race. I’ve seen some Asian women act like maids to their Caucasian spouses, picking up after them all the time. I’ve always wondered why are they willing to be so submissive all the time. On the other hand, I’ve also seen head-strong Asian women together with Caucasian men. In these instances, it would seem that the Asian women are more intelligent, proud of their culture and not afraid to share it with their other halves.

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  44. David Avatar
    David

    Mabel, It’s refreshing to see an Asian woman like yourself, speaking so openly and objectively about relationships and the dynamics within mixed Asian female and Western male couples, necessary for their long-term success. All too often guys who are into Asian women are quickly and dismissively-labelled with the “Yellow Fever” tag and treated as perverts or the like, for having that preference. That aspersion is wildly inaccurate in my view, based on my long experience and friendships I have with a multitude of mixed Caucasian Male – Asian female couples. The truth is, for most of the men who are genuinely so strongly attracted to Asian women, the range of reasons is far more complex than simply superficial factors like the physical beauty of Asian women, and does indeed encompass every aspect of the women concerned. While physical beauty is what (almost-invariably) initially attracts virtually any man to any given woman, that is merely the initial factor, and in order for such an interaction to move beyond a simple meeting …. there needs to be much more than just simple mutual physical attraction. For such relationships to truly blossom over the long term, the mutual connection formed between the man and woman must be based on how their personalities synch, and on how well they can blend themselves and their differences into a workable relationship.

    Men who genuinely do admire and respect Asian women realise that they are every bit as intelligent and capable as western women, and certainly are NOT submissive (as all too many ignorant western people assume). While there are a wide range of additional challenges for interracial couples of this nature, I believe that the same critical underlying things are prerequisites for any successful long term liaison : mutual respect and consideration ; a devotion to the happiness of ones mate (as well as to ones self) ; a knowledge of and respect for the cultural practices and beliefs of ones mate … and a sensitivity to these matters ; flexibility and an open-heart to find the middle ground (somewhere between ones own cultural beliefs and practices and that of your mate) ; and more than anything else … a heartfelt love for the person you are with. Those that make the effort to truly educate themselves about the culture and language of their mate, and who take the time and pay attention to truly understand her….have the best chance of creating a harmonious, mutually-rewarding bond with one another. All of the successful, long-term interracial marriages and partnerships I have seen….exhibit these qualities.

    Personally, I love Asian women who are proud of themselves, their race and culture. I prefer them to be who they authentically who they are … because that is what I am drawn to about them.

    I can say that one thing I do like about a lot of Asian women, when it comes to relationships, is that there mindset is that relationships are not an adversarial competition with the man, for control of the relationship…but rather, a cooperative / collaborative, “we’re on the same team” like mindset. (All too often with western women, relationships are an adversarial, competitive dynamic, where the women strive to dominate the relationship.) That is only one small reason, of many reasons, why I am exclusively into Asian women. I consider many Asian women to be truly beautiful, inside and out, and life alongside them is more often than not, a joy. My interest in Asian women goes far, far, far beyond any simple fetish. As I said…. it is about every aspect of them, as women, and as individual human females, that both intrigues me and inspires me to connect with them. For the record, I am a one woman man.

    – David
    (Brisbane, Australia)

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    1. David Avatar
      David

      Disappointingly, as per every other forum or blog on the net, there are always people who stray completely off the topic … and go into long political or ideological rants that have 3/8 of 5/8 of sweet F.A. to do with the thread. What politics has nothing to do with Asian Female – Caucasian male relationships, and for those who wish to lock horns on that subject, please do the rest of us a favour and grandstand on another ‘politics’ thread. This is NOT the place, and there are many of us who find such banter an unwelcome intrusion into what is otherwise an interesting discussion.

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      It is refreshing to hear you speak so openly and honestly about this topic and admit with confidence that you like all aspects of Asian women. I completely agree with you that for any relationship to blossom over time for the next few decades, both people in the relationship need to learn to appreciate, accept and tolerate each other’s cultures and accommodate each other’s personalities.

      So true that not all Asian women are submissive. In fact, many Asian women who have had the opportunity to complete university are often very career-driven and determined to make their opinions be heard in a rational manner – they are not afraid to be honest. Cheesy as this may sound, honesty is often the best policy and in any workable inter-racial relationship, honesty is a must to substantiate communication and the learning of each other’s cultures. However, there are opposites in this world and I am sure there are some less straight-talking, more passive Asian women out there who would wait on hand and foot for any Caucasian guy who looks their way. Not that there is anything wrong with this – some cultures are just like this for one reason or another. However, this might very well explain some of the Asian-girl-white-guy couples boasting large age differences between the two in the pairings.

      In regards to your other comment: this AF-WG topic is a sensitive one and very understandably some will stray off topic given their strong perceptions, and/or experiences on the subject, as well as their general beliefs in life/relationships. In any topic of discussion, there are bound to be political, social and cultural angles related to the issue talked about at hand. As some commenters have pointed out, history and politics arguably have some reasoning behind the AF-WG relationship. History and political ideology formations are intricate, stretching back decades and sometimes it is easy to get lost trying to tie back to what you want to say in the first place.

      Looking around my blog, as you have implied, David, it is obvious my blog is not a political blog. It is a blog where I discuss the social and cultural aspects of multiculturalism and diversity. There are some of us out there who want to read about social and cultural discussions as opposed to political ones. That is not to say politics with respect to multiculturalism is not important – I welcome any political-related comment so long as the commenter is able to link it directly back to the discussion at hand. Thank you for reading and sharing, David.

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  45. pieter Avatar
    pieter

    A asian woman will never but never suffer with any white male for long if he runs out of money, but she will sleep on the streets with an asian man all her live for love. There is NO love between any white male and asian woman, its all physical.

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    1. David Avatar
      David

      Pieter > It’s not often that I am left speechless, but the ignorance illustrated by your comment left me simply shaking my head in disbelief. There is so much more to Caucasian male – Asian female relationships than just the physical. As with any male-female relationship, it is multi-dimensional, and emotional attachment is a central pillar to the vast majority of long-term relationships!

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      1. J Avatar
        J

        Indeed there’s so much more, including but not limited to: pediophilia, losers who can’t get a good and hot white girl; wanting to dominate girls of another race that their culture despises so much in general; doing a tight p*ssy (real or typical Western stereotypes) and spreading nasty bateria and viruses in the process; and get these girls with psychological issues to fulfill their perverse sexual fantasies. I have seen so many of this type of couples split up even after having children. Even these girls with issues eventually realise what is actually going on.

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        1. David Avatar
          David

          Given your obvious aversion to White men being involved with Asian women, and wide range of other deeply negative views towards Both the men and women involved in such interracial relationships, you clearly have nothing of any value to add to this discussion. I think you’d be happier if YOU found yourself a good white girl, joined a white supremist organisation, and went on ranting elsewhere. ^_*

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    2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Thanks for your honest opinion on the topic, Pieter. A considerable proportion of Caucasian men are indeed working decent jobs and bring home decent incomes. I’m sure that there are some Asian women out there who value a man who is able to provide for them financially – and for that only which is very disappointing. However, in a world where many of us are learning to appreciate others for their culture and who they are, I don’t think all Asian female and white guy relationships are all buoyed the physical component of relationships.

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  46. qflux Avatar
    qflux

    The comments make it hugely evident that so many are simply taking their own bitterness and insecurity, blowing it staggeringly out of proportion, and projecting it onto the world. As angry, and honestly mentally unstable, as many of you are coming off here, is it any wonder you are single and embittered? This sounds *so much* like the white guys that complain about “all of the white girls wanting black guys”

    Interracial dating is a *tiny* minority, yet it is *so* threatening to those who are pathetically insecure and uncomfortable in their own skin and, as a result, need endless scapegoats for why they cant find a partner. How about this… Don’t worry about someone else’s bedroom, worry about your own. Whether you are black, white, purple or orange, if you cannot find a woman who is interested in your company… *THE ISSUE IS WITH YOU!* It isnt because “XYZ racial group” has “stolen” your women. Thinking and talking like that *makes you a racist*. What an irony.

    Waxing pedantic about 900 years of history and oppression isn’t going to make you fun at parties either. People are people. Find a way to get over yourself, get out in the *actual world* and interface with *real people*. Even if it takes lots and lots of therapy (and for some on this thread it will probably take medication) it will be worth it!

    It’s just unbelievable in 2014 how much time people *still* spend worrying about who is sleeping with who and why. It makes me *really* understand the frustration of homosexuals when I read this kind of crap (not the original article which I found to be honest and thoughtful, but the comments)

    In *any* couple… ANY COUPLE! There are cases of true love, cases of economic advantage, cases of someone being duped or used… WHAT does Kublai Kahn, slavery, WWII or Western Imperialism have to do with *any of it* unless you *insanely* insist on injecting that into the conversation between two modern people interacting with each other here in the PRESENT DAY?

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      qflux

      Can’t edit, but also wanted to add that this type of dialogue is some of the most *sexist* I’ve ever heard. As if there is a such thing as “our women” or as if women are mindless drones enslaved to media influences… Modern women are smarter and stronger than ever. Thank goodness in most modern societies they get to *choose* their partner. And whom they choose is *their* choice. If you want to talk about “vast majority”, as so many have in these comments, then the “vast majority” chose their partner based on c h e m i s t r y. GASP! What a shock. That means physical attraction, sense of human, common interests. But why let THAT get in the way of conspiracy theories, chest pounding rhetoric, and discussions about imperialism and the saving the race, right?

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      1. David Avatar
        David

        Agreed… whole-heartedly. I too am glad that (most) women in the modern era are free to make their own choices. I also agree that all too many guys don’t give women enough credit. Asian women, like all women, are our equals… and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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    2. David Avatar
      David

      Much respect to qflux !!! My sentiments exactly ! ^_^

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    3. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      I definitely agree with your thoughts here, qflux. So many of us are so focused on who is dating who, who is marrying who up until the point we stop thinking about ourselves. As selfish as this may sound, we need to stop looking at others all the time and focus on how we can be a better person before anyone will actually pay us the slightest bit of attention. Doesn’t matter if you are Asian or not, or after an Asian or non-Asian person to go out with. If we go about accusing Asian women of getting together with white guys just because of superiority reasons all the time, then I think we need to take a hard look at ourselves.

      Also, great point – interracial dating IS still a small minority in this world today. A staggering proportion of my Asian friends do look for someone of their own race to be with – due to cultural similarities. Head over to Malaysia or Singapore, go to the middle of the cities and you’ll definitely Asian couples everywhere, and perhaps the occasional inter-racial couple somewhere.

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      1. clshome Avatar
        clshome

        Mabel,

        Thank you for tackling this subject in your blog. I’ve found it very insightful. (I’m 50, male, Caucasian, American.) Reading some of the recent comments from qflux make me think of a couple of guys I knew in my younger days, both of whom needed help. One was genuinely creepy and one was decent enough, but really socially inept. Both where pursuing recent-immigrant-type Asian women and the unspoken consensus was that they couldn’t get anyone else to date them.

        This brings me to my situation. I am recently divorced and now feel ready to get back out dating (after being off the market for 20 years). I am actually kind of embarrassed to admit that I am thinking of becoming one of “those guys” advertising for an Asian woman! (locally and age-appropriate, though) I’ve been giving a lot of thought to why I’ve recently developed this “Asian thing” and my Internet research on the subject led me here.

        I guess my concern is this: What kind of impression does an “White Guy Seeking Asian Girl” ad make? I can picture women–of all races–clicking on the ad just to see what kind of creep places such an ad! Thanks.

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        1. David C Gordon Avatar
          David C Gordon

          I think those of us who are actually interested in Asian women, for all the right reasons, are often tarred with the same brush and viewed negatively, or with scepticism, by Asian women… who seem to be suspicious of white men who are drawn to Asian women. It can definitely go against you …

          I would like to hear the views of Asian women here, in regards to that issue. Do you view it as a strike against a guy, if you see that he is only interested in Asian women?

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        2. Mabel Kwong Avatar

          Thanks for sharing. There are many stereotypes associated with a “WG seeking AG” ad anywhere today – and I am guessing in general most people who see this ad will assume the white guy who wrote it has some sort of (sexual or physical) fetish for Asian girls (which may or may not be true). It’s good to hear that you’ve given a lot of thought as to why you have this “Asian thing” – maybe you are attracted to educated Asian girls because of their tendency to be opinionated or their conservative fashion sense.

          It does sound like you have an interest in Asian culture. Maybe you might want to join an Asian-related group in your community, for instance, Chinese language classes or tai chi sessions. That way you can meet more females or people of Asian ethnicity and take dating from here.

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    4. redearthbluesky Avatar

      Good post qflux. I am in an inter-racial marriage and come from along line of interracial marriages.You are right that inter-racial relationships are in the minority but it is a visible minority and one that bothers people. I think it is because if you chose someone from a different culture or race, it seems to be interpreted by some people that there is something wrong with the people from your own race or culture you have looked past.

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  47. David Avatar
    David

    The vast, vast majority of Asian women are in relationships with men from their own racial groups. Relationships with White men, Black men or others outside of their racial groups is still very much a minority or exception to the rule. Inferring that Asian women’s motivation for getting involved with White men was to somehow “marry up” assumes that the Asian women’s status, economic circumstance etc are lower than White men’s…. and in my experience that is a misguided view. A lot of the Japanese, Korean and Chinese women I have and continue to know, via University, come from families and circumstances that are superior (not inferior) to most White men around them. For those that have chosen to marry a White Man, the choice has involved sacrifice on their part, not gain from a financial or situational perspective. Most have made that decision anyway, for love … mutual love and commitment. I have numerous white friends who have been happily married to Asian women for 20 years+, and their relationships / marriages remain rock-solid.

    In this the Asian Century, where China’s rise is irrepressible, more and more Asian peoples are going to see their positions in life elevated. Assuming “White Superiority” is a misguided notion, and fails to acknowledge how much many Asian countries and peoples have already risen. It is also very arrogant, because it fails to value the incredible achievements and cultural complexity of Asian cultures through history.

    I treat Asian people as equals … always have, always will. I judge people by the content of their characters, and not by the colour of their skin. Look beyond race… and see the fellow human being instead. Racism to me, displays the height of ignorance…

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Agree with you that there are Asian women out there who solely marry Caucasian guys for love, and love only. One thing I notice (heard from stories told by relatives and acquaintances) is that sometimes the Asian women’s family might express jealously and think otherwise – that these Asian women are “marrying up”. I don’t really know what to say about this, but it must be hard on the Asian women sometimes even though if they are in a happy, pure-loving relationship with a Caucasian man.

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  48. Garrett Avatar
    Garrett

    Ehh, as far as I can tell this is just the vestiges of colonialism and anglo-saxon hegemony. living in a place like australia (or the US, where I do), affects your self-perception and confuses your identity.

    seeking approbation and acceptance from the dominant culture at large is only normal as people/women/living organisms are wired for survival. can you really blame asian women for choosing a white guy, if they live in a predominantly white country? also may help them ‘survive’ better in terms of acculturation, social acceptance, fiscally (although that slowly not becoming the case), etc.

    hegemony is key, and really if it is happen categorically on this large of a scale there is much more to it than meets the eye. mostly its unconscious for these girls and prob wouldn’t blame them anyways as if i were an asian woman and going out with a white guy helped me to better integrate into society and gave me social acceptance (therefore making my life easier, and potentially making me happier) then hey, why not.

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Definitely majority of us want to fit or assimilate into society we live in as seamlessly as possible. And a lot of the time that means aligning with the status quo – if you’re an Asian person living in a Western country, most likely you’ll learn English, hiding the Asian side of your culture, etc. For an Asian woman living in a Western country, getting together with a white guy, in some people’s eyes she might be seen as fitting in with Western standards – clean, lives in a clean white house, speaks and understands English etc. Not sure if it is an unconscious thing. It may be, but there most certainly may be some Asian women out there who deliberately get together with Caucasian guys just to “fit in” and “climb the status ladder”.

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  49. Vlad Tepes Avatar
    Vlad Tepes

    Different countries…….
    When I was working in the same room with a woman from India; she asked if I was put off because I was working in a room with a woman, sort of like I ‘Lost Status’; but i told her in the states that didn’t matter at all. Later she divorced her husband from India ( two kids ) because it wa an ‘arranged marriage’ and she ‘never liked him’. HA!

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  50. Vlad Tepes Avatar
    Vlad Tepes

    I am attracted to Aisan womem. But that may be because of the submissive thing. I’m the boss. American women don’t usually don’t like that as they are too hung up on modern ‘equality’ nonsense that PC notions have twisted their heads around…….

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    1. Mabel Kwong Avatar

      Different people are attracted to Asian women for different reasons, and different Asian women are attracted to Asian/Caucasian men for different reasons. Nothing wrong with liking Asian women if one likes them for their submissiveness. At the same time, I’m sure there are non-submissive Asian women out there and there are Caucasian guys out there who like these particular Asian women.

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    2. redearthbluesky Avatar

      Haven’t you heard of the Asian Tiger mum? Trust me, many Asian women are not just that way with their kids. I’ve known Asian men who were afraid to go home for fear of the wife.I found that most Chinese women were too confrontational for my liking but I married one who had a character that reminded me of a stereotypical laid back Australian women except she was more family orientated than most Australian women. Japanese were less confrontational but they really knew how to push a man’s buttons and pull his strings so they really didn’t need to be. In both cultures, it is the women who control the household, which speaks volumes.

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